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		<title>Review copies</title>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 07 Feb 2012 05:22:25 +0000</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>tim</dc:creator>
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		<description><![CDATA[If you would like a review copy of the print version of my new book: Tim Bulkeley, Not Only a Father: Talk of God as Mother in the Bible &#38; Christian Tradition (Signs) Auckland: Archer Press, 2011 ISBN: 978-1468091373 Please contact me, please say both where you expect to publish the review (blogs are quite [...]]]></description>
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<p>Tim Bulkeley, <em>Not Only a Father: Talk of God as Mother in the Bible &amp; Christian Tradition </em>(Signs) Auckland: Archer Press, 2011 ISBN: 978-1468091373</p>
<p>Please <a href="mailto:tim@carey.ac.nz">contact me</a>, please say both where you expect to publish the review (blogs are quite acceptable though a full review rather than a short note would be good) and when you are expect to write it. There are no conditions and you should be as critical as you normally would.</p>
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		<title>Verbal inspiration, a question</title>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 02 Feb 2012 20:43:06 +0000</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>tim</dc:creator>
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		<description><![CDATA[I&#8217;m sure people who claim the verbal inspiration of Scripture have an answer, but I&#8217;m puzzled. Jesus says in Mat 19 and Mark 10 that &#8220;Moses&#8221;1 gave permission for divorce &#8220;because of your hardness of heart&#8221;. Does this mean that Jesus considered Deut 24 to be Moses&#8217; own teaching? Please do not answer on behalf [...]]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<div class="fblike" style="height:25px; height:25px; overflow:hidden;"><iframe src="http://www.facebook.com/plugins/like.php?href=http%3A%2F%2Fbigbible.org%2Fsansblogue%2Fbible%2Fverbal-inspiration-a-question%2F&amp;layout=standard&amp;show_faces=true&amp;width=450&amp;action=like&amp;font=arial&amp;colorscheme=light" scrolling="no" frameborder="0" allow Transparency="true" style="border:none; overflow:hidden; width:450px;"></iframe></div><p>I&#8217;m sure people who claim the verbal inspiration of Scripture have an answer, but I&#8217;m puzzled. Jesus says in Mat 19 and Mark 10 that &#8220;Moses&#8221;<sup><a href="http://bigbible.org/sansblogue/bible/verbal-inspiration-a-question/#footnote_0_1672" id="identifier_0_1672" class="footnote-link footnote-identifier-link" title=" Or &amp;#8220;he&amp;#8221; presumably refering back to the Pharisees &amp;#8220;Moses&amp;#8221; in Mark. ">1</a></sup> gave permission for divorce &#8220;because of your hardness of heart&#8221;. Does this mean that Jesus considered Deut 24 to be Moses&#8217; own teaching? Please do not answer on behalf of others, or offer facetious answers, I am not trying to be &#8220;clever&#8221; just to understand how the claims of verbal inspiration work. Many of my students and fellow church members hold the idea, but I can&#8217;t get my head around it.</p>
<ol class="footnotes"><li id="footnote_0_1672" class="footnote"> Or &#8220;he&#8221; presumably refering back to the Pharisees &#8220;Moses&#8221; in Mark. </li></ol>]]></content:encoded>
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		<title>The Facts of the Matter</title>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 01 Feb 2012 23:57:58 +0000</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>tim</dc:creator>
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		<description><![CDATA[Many discussions around the Bible founder on the shoals of factual accuracy. The &#8220;facts of the matter&#8221;, and claims that they are either accurately or inaccurately reported, generate much heat (and for those who like good knock down arguments1 delight). This should not surprise us, for since the Enlightenment, we have worshiped &#8220;facts&#8221;. Indeed respect [...]]]></description>
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<p>Many discussions around the Bible founder on the shoals of factual accuracy. The &#8220;facts of the matter&#8221;, and claims that they are either accurately or inaccurately reported, generate much heat (and for those who like good knock down arguments<sup><a href="http://bigbible.org/sansblogue/bible/biblical-interpretation/the-facts-of-the-matter/#footnote_0_1667" id="identifier_0_1667" class="footnote-link footnote-identifier-link" title=" What H. Dumpty described as &amp;#8220;glory&amp;#8221;. ">1</a></sup> delight). This should not surprise us, for since the Enlightenment, we have worshiped &#8220;facts&#8221;.</p>
<p>Indeed respect for the facts has served us well. Truth is found when the facts are reported and marshaled into arguments accurately.</p>
<p>Yet, always, but especially in matters of relationship, there is another sort of truth. Faithfulness too can be truth. In fiction when a character acts in ways which ring true to their nature (as built up elsewhere in the story or the corpus) and to the relevant aspects of the world as we know it (remembering that willing suspension of disbelief plays a role in all poetics) we say the story is &#8220;true&#8221;. Likewise when the other things all good fictions communicate, the attitudes and elements of worldview &#8220;fit&#8221; with (i.e. are faithful to) what we believe, we say the story is true. Similarly, in the ancient world,<sup><a href="http://bigbible.org/sansblogue/bible/biblical-interpretation/the-facts-of-the-matter/#footnote_1_1667" id="identifier_1_1667" class="footnote-link footnote-identifier-link" title=" Before modern technologies made swift or even almost instant communication at a distance possible. ">2</a></sup> when an ambassador spoke a message that represented faithfully what his lord would have intended, his words were true. This would have been so even if the message was in fact contradicted by a written communication that spoke differently &#8211; if the lord would indeed have spoken differently in the changed circumstances.</p>
<p>To expect the Bible to conform to the first sort of truth, in a world which lived by the second, is mere fundamentalism (a thoroughly modern system).</p>
<p>Of course, to interpret a text which seeks to be faithful requires more skill and judgement than to interpret one which aims at the facts. And isn&#8217;t it interesting how often &#8220;the facts&#8221; serve to support and sustain the status quo?<sup><a href="http://bigbible.org/sansblogue/bible/biblical-interpretation/the-facts-of-the-matter/#footnote_2_1667" id="identifier_2_1667" class="footnote-link footnote-identifier-link" title=" At least until the pressure for change becomes almost irresistible, at which point somehow those flighty facts change sides. ">3</a></sup></p>
<p>Amanda at Cheese-Wearing Theology has posted this month&#8217;s <a href="http://cdntheologianscholar.wordpress.com/2012/02/01/biblioblog-carnival-february-2012/">Biblical Studies Carnival</a>, in what ways is the &#8220;world&#8221; (of bibliobloggery) it presents true?</p>
<ol class="footnotes"><li id="footnote_0_1667" class="footnote"> What H. Dumpty described as &#8220;glory&#8221;. </li><li id="footnote_1_1667" class="footnote"> Before modern technologies made swift or even almost instant communication at a distance possible. </li><li id="footnote_2_1667" class="footnote"> At least until the pressure for change becomes almost irresistible, at which point somehow those flighty facts change sides. </li></ol>]]></content:encoded>
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		<title>More on the Bible and marriage</title>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 01 Feb 2012 21:45:17 +0000</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>tim</dc:creator>
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		<description><![CDATA[Gavin (at Otagosh) posted a fairly long response to my piece Biblical marriages. Since he took the trouble to reply at some length as a post, I&#8217;ll do the same. His critique starts Then Tim makes an amazing statement: &#8220;In terms of the teaching of Scripture it is clear that Gen 2 is a privileged [...]]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<div class="fblike" style="height:25px; height:25px; overflow:hidden;"><iframe src="http://www.facebook.com/plugins/like.php?href=http%3A%2F%2Fbigbible.org%2Fsansblogue%2Fbible%2Fbible-abuse%2Fmore-on-the-bible-and-marriage%2F&amp;layout=standard&amp;show_faces=true&amp;width=450&amp;action=like&amp;font=arial&amp;colorscheme=light" scrolling="no" frameborder="0" allow Transparency="true" style="border:none; overflow:hidden; width:450px;"></iframe></div><div id="attachment_1660" class="wp-caption alignright" style="width: 131px"><a href="http://www.just-pooh.com/history.html"><img class="size-full wp-image-1660" title="photo-2" src="http://bigbible.org/sansblogue/wp-content/uploads/2012/02/photo-2.jpg" alt="" width="121" height="151" /></a><p class="wp-caption-text">From a webpage titled: History of Winnie the Pooh</p></div>
<p>Gavin (at Otagosh) posted a <a href="http://otagosh.blogspot.co.nz/2012/02/biblical-marriage.html">fairly long response</a> to my piece <a title="Permalink to Biblical marriages" href="../bible/bible-abuse/biblical-marriages/">Biblical marriages</a>. Since he took the trouble to reply at some length as a post, I&#8217;ll do the same.</p>
<p>His critique starts</p>
<blockquote><p>Then Tim makes an amazing statement: &#8220;In terms of the teaching of Scripture it is clear that Gen 2 is a privileged text (Jesus and Paul both cite it when discussing marriage).&#8221;</p>
<p>Genesis 2 is a privileged text?  In what sense?  Both Jesus and Paul cite other texts too.  Or, to be more specific, Paul and the <span>Gospel writers</span> cite other texts.<sup><a href="http://bigbible.org/sansblogue/bible/bible-abuse/more-on-the-bible-and-marriage/#footnote_0_1647" id="identifier_0_1647" class="footnote-link footnote-identifier-link" title=" I am sorry, I have spent half an hour playing with HTML but cannot reproduce gavin&amp;#8217;s emphasis in these quotes, something to do with the way this theme handles blockquotes :( ">1</a></sup></p></blockquote>
<p>Well, yes, evidently both Jesus and Paul<sup><a href="http://bigbible.org/sansblogue/bible/bible-abuse/more-on-the-bible-and-marriage/#footnote_1_1647" id="identifier_1_1647" class="footnote-link footnote-identifier-link" title=" See below, I&amp;#8217;ll continue to use these convenient shorthand designations despite Gavin&amp;#8217;s scorning of them. ">2</a></sup> also refer to other parts of Scripture. A full treatment of what the Bible says about marriage would need to treat them and yet other texts (that neither of these use) also. But still it seems to me, for a Christian reading of Scripture the fact that both Jesus and Paul (more than once) cite Gen 2 does make that passage a somewhat privileged locus for seeking a biblical understanding of marriage.<sup><a href="http://bigbible.org/sansblogue/bible/bible-abuse/more-on-the-bible-and-marriage/#footnote_2_1647" id="identifier_2_1647" class="footnote-link footnote-identifier-link" title=" Much like a blog post getting lots of links would privilegeit in Google&amp;#8217;s algorithms ;) ">3</a></sup> No, Gavin, I cannot accept that all texts, or passages, are equal. Like most people<sup><a href="http://bigbible.org/sansblogue/bible/bible-abuse/more-on-the-bible-and-marriage/#footnote_3_1647" id="identifier_3_1647" class="footnote-link footnote-identifier-link" title=" Except raging fundamentalists. ">4</a></sup> I have a &#8220;canon within the canon, though it will be different for different purposes and I think that (as I began to here)<sup><a href="http://bigbible.org/sansblogue/bible/bible-abuse/more-on-the-bible-and-marriage/#footnote_4_1647" id="identifier_4_1647" class="footnote-link footnote-identifier-link" title=" Though of course in a longer treatment I should have added other reasons, like the claim that Genesis serves as a preface to both the Torah and Scripture as a whole, and the further claim that the early chapters are particularly &amp;#8220;laden&amp;#8221; with significant teaching, and the claim that Gen 2 is &amp;#8220;about&amp;#8221; marriage and is one of few Old Testament texts that are&amp;#8230; ">5</a></sup></p>
<div id="attachment_1661" class="wp-caption alignright" style="width: 215px"><a href="http://www.just-pooh.com/history.html"><img class="size-full wp-image-1661" title="pk" src="http://bigbible.org/sansblogue/wp-content/uploads/2012/02/pk.gif" alt="" width="205" height="125" /></a><p class="wp-caption-text">From a webpage titled: History of Winnie the Pooh</p></div>
<p>Gavin continued:</p>
<blockquote><p>There were no &#8220;red letter&#8221; options available to indicate Jesus&#8217; actual words, quotation marks had yet to be invented, and speaking of &#8220;invented&#8221;, much (please note that I&#8217;m not saying all) of the material attributed to Jesus has clearly been put into his mouth.</p></blockquote>
<p>This seems to assume that when I say &#8220;Jesus&#8221; my interest is historical. There is a terrible tendency in modern thought to value history and &#8220;facts&#8221;. But I am not a historian, I am a theologian, my primary interest is not in reconstructing a plausible history but in the character &#8220;Jesus&#8221; who inspires and is the centre of the New Testament. This Jesus whether or not &#8220;invented&#8221;<sup><a href="http://bigbible.org/sansblogue/bible/bible-abuse/more-on-the-bible-and-marriage/#footnote_5_1647" id="identifier_5_1647" class="footnote-link footnote-identifier-link" title=" I know why I put quotation marks round the word, since i seriously doubt that the gospel authors or the traditions that may stand behind them intended to &amp;#8220;invent&amp;#8221;, but why does Gavin use scare quotes here? ">6</a></sup> does make special use of this passage.</p>
<p>This section of the post concludes:</p>
<blockquote><p>Tim&#8217;s decision to anoint Genesis two as &#8220;privileged&#8221; is entired [sic]<sup><a href="http://bigbible.org/sansblogue/bible/bible-abuse/more-on-the-bible-and-marriage/#footnote_6_1647" id="identifier_6_1647" class="footnote-link footnote-identifier-link" title=" PS3/2/12&nbsp; now corrected in the original post. ">7</a></sup> theological and subjective.</p></blockquote>
<p>I hope that I have shown that the first is entirely true, but perhaps to be expected of a theologian, and that the second is true only in the most general sense. I gave a reason that Gavin did not like, and in a short post failed to present any of the others, perhaps I have begun to rectify that lack above.</p>
<p>Gavin then quotes something I wrote and rejects it. I wrote:</p>
<blockquote><p>&#8220;in this (as in everything else) human sinfulness warps and twists God’s intent. All of the &#8216;biblical&#8217; marriages listed in the graphic reflect this.&#8221;</p></blockquote>
<p>Gavin replied:</p>
<blockquote><p>The problem is that, as Tim knows full well, <strong><em>the documents themselves</em></strong> contain little or no condemnation of these customs.  If there&#8217;s warping and twisting going on, wouldn&#8217;t you assume that this would be signalled <strong><em>within the text</em>?  </strong></p></blockquote>
<p>Well, Gavin and I might assume that, but the fact is that biblical narratives though they frequently recount the most terrible breaches of God&#8217;s desires (as expressed in the texts themselves) seldom mark them as such, we cannot rely on such explicit markers. But then the simple fact that no Bible character (with the arguable exception of Jesus) is presented without faults, sins and failings might suggest &#8211; and certainly does to my theological reading &#8211; that the Bible sees humans as sinful, warped and twisted. Nice middle-class liberal moderns may not like it, but we are all broken and in need of repair.</p>
<p>On the charge of biblicism that Gavin closes with, perhaps I&#8217;d be happy to plead guilty.</p>
<ol class="footnotes"><li id="footnote_0_1647" class="footnote"> I am sorry, I have spent half an hour playing with HTML but cannot reproduce gavin&#8217;s emphasis in these quotes, something to do with the way this theme handles blockquotes :( </li><li id="footnote_1_1647" class="footnote"> See below, I&#8217;ll continue to use these convenient shorthand designations despite Gavin&#8217;s scorning of them. </li><li id="footnote_2_1647" class="footnote"> Much like a blog post getting lots of links would privilegeit in Google&#8217;s algorithms ;) </li><li id="footnote_3_1647" class="footnote"> Except raging fundamentalists. </li><li id="footnote_4_1647" class="footnote"> Though of course in a longer treatment I should have added other reasons, like the claim that Genesis serves as a preface to both the Torah and Scripture as a whole, and the further claim that the early chapters are particularly &#8220;laden&#8221; with significant teaching, and the claim that Gen 2 is &#8220;about&#8221; marriage and is one of few Old Testament texts that are&#8230; </li><li id="footnote_5_1647" class="footnote"> I know why I put quotation marks round the word, since i seriously doubt that the gospel authors or the traditions that may stand behind them intended to &#8220;invent&#8221;, but why does Gavin use scare quotes here? </li><li id="footnote_6_1647" class="footnote"> PS3/2/12  now corrected in the original post. </li></ol>]]></content:encoded>
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		<title>Biblical marriages</title>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 01 Feb 2012 05:04:13 +0000</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>tim</dc:creator>
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		<description><![CDATA[I&#8217;ve seen several peopl, including Rowland Crowcher, post this &#8221;infographic&#8221; on Facebook. Since I&#8217;ve spoken quite a bit on &#8220;Family in the Bible&#8221;, and am due to speak to a leaders group from the NZ Christian Network on the &#8220;Theology of Marriage&#8221; really soon it makes me hopping mad! In one sense the graphic is &#8220;true&#8221;. [...]]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<div class="fblike" style="height:25px; height:25px; overflow:hidden;"><iframe src="http://www.facebook.com/plugins/like.php?href=http%3A%2F%2Fbigbible.org%2Fsansblogue%2Fbible%2Fbible-abuse%2Fbiblical-marriages%2F&amp;layout=standard&amp;show_faces=true&amp;width=450&amp;action=like&amp;font=arial&amp;colorscheme=light" scrolling="no" frameborder="0" allow Transparency="true" style="border:none; overflow:hidden; width:450px;"></iframe></div><div id="attachment_1645" class="wp-caption alignright" style="width: 310px"><a href="http://bigbible.org/sansblogue/wp-content/uploads/2012/02/marriage.jpg"><img class="size-medium wp-image-1645" title="marriage" src="http://bigbible.org/sansblogue/wp-content/uploads/2012/02/marriage-300x215.jpg" alt="" width="300" height="215" /></a><p class="wp-caption-text">Facebook does not seen good at giving attributions, so I don&#39;t know who produced this, if it was you write to me and I&#39;ll gladly attribute it :)</p></div>
<p>I&#8217;ve seen several peopl, including <a href="https://www.facebook.com/rowland.croucher">Rowland Crowcher</a>, post this &#8221;infographic&#8221; on Facebook. Since I&#8217;ve spoken quite a bit on &#8220;Family in the Bible&#8221;, and am due to speak to a leaders group from the NZ Christian Network on the &#8220;Theology of Marriage&#8221; really soon it makes me hopping mad!</p>
<p>In one sense the graphic is &#8220;true&#8221;. The Bible does present all these, and more (some arguably worse) patterns of marriage. It is also true that God chose to work in and through many of these. Just looking at Abraham (the &#8220;father&#8221; of the three monotheistic religions) or Jacob (aka &#8220;Israel&#8221;) makes it clear that God does not turn aside from some convoluted and perverse human arrangements in choosing who to use as a channel of grace.</p>
<p>But, do any of these represent &#8220;a biblical view of marriage&#8221;. Hell no! It is time for some stakes in the ground. In terms of the teaching of Scripture it is clear that Gen 2 is a privileged text (Jesus and Paul both cite it when discussing marriage). This passage, and the teaching of Jesus and Paul make some basics clear:</p>
<dl>
<dt><strong>Marriage</strong>:</dt>
</dl>
<ul>
<li>was ordained by God</li>
<li>is the union of a man and a woman</li>
<ul>
<li>produces and nurtures the next generation</li>
<li>provides necessary partnership</li>
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</ul>
<p>However, in this (as in everything else) human sinfulness warps and twists God&#8217;s intent. All of the &#8220;biblical&#8221; marriages listed in the graphic reflect this.</p>
<p>See some of my earlier posts for background to this one:</p>
<ul>
<li> <a title="Permalink to What is a family?" href="../ot/ot/family-in-the-bible/">What is a family?</a></li>
<li><a title="Permalink to Does the Bible present a preferred pattern of family?" href="../ot/ot/does-the-bible-present-a-preferred-pattern-of-family/">Does the Bible present a preferred pattern of family</a></li>
<li><a href="http://bigbible.org/sansblogue/ot/reading-the-bible-seeking-teaching-on-family/">Reading the Bible: seeking teaching on family</a></li>
</ul>
<p>I am aware that what I have written in the very short and angry post here will be understood by some people as endorsing particular views on the currently hot and vexed topic of &#8220;Gay marriages&#8221;. It does. Gay marriage is an oxymoron since not only is marriage the partnership of a man and a woman, but also intended to produce as well as nurture the next generation. However, the view endorsed above says nothing about either Civil Unions, or about the possibility of blessing (or even solemnising) them in churches. As far as I am concerned that seem to be separate issues, and ones on which my view of marriage does not entail any particular position. I wish that we (Christians of all stripes, marriage activists of every opinion, and especially the authorities of both states and churches) would just sit back and separate the two things and issues.</p>
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		<title>Two ways to read: suspension of disbelief</title>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 09 Jan 2012 18:57:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Yesterday I was asked: If Noah lived before the law was revealed to Moses, how did he know how to distinguish &#8220;clean&#8221; and &#8220;unclean&#8221; animals? It is still holiday time (it&#8217;s the summer in NZ, though with all the rain and cold in recent weeks you wouldn&#8217;t believe it) so my answer was less full [...]]]></description>
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<p>Yesterday I was asked: If Noah lived before the law was revealed to Moses, how did he know how to distinguish &#8220;clean&#8221; and &#8220;unclean&#8221; animals?</p>
<p>It is still holiday time (it&#8217;s the summer in NZ, though with all the rain and cold in recent weeks you wouldn&#8217;t believe it) so my answer was less full than it ought to have been:</p>
<blockquote><p>Hmm&#8230; on Noah, Moses and the animals, there are two likely lines for an answer (a) the story of Noah is being told after the delivery of the law and so the telling reflects those categories; (b) there was perhaps a cultural practice of distinguishing clean and unclean animals even before the law was revealed to Moses (as there was already such a practice of not eating pork).</p>
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<p>Of course the short simple answer is &#8220;we really don&#8217;t know&#8221; but people don&#8217;t like that one ;)</p>
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<p>But it&#8217;s not as simple as that<sup><a href="http://bigbible.org/sansblogue/bible/biblical-interpretation/two-ways-to-read/#footnote_0_1617" id="identifier_0_1617" class="footnote-link footnote-identifier-link" title=" Except the last answer, because we really do not know ;) ">1</a></sup> behind any attempt to answer such a question lie two fundamentally different ways to read.</p>
<p>One way looks at the text from the outside, and reads as a &#8220;critic&#8221;. For a couple of centuries, in academic biblical studies, the most frequent way to thus &#8220;objectify&#8221;<sup><a href="http://bigbible.org/sansblogue/bible/biblical-interpretation/two-ways-to-read/#footnote_1_1617" id="identifier_1_1617" class="footnote-link footnote-identifier-link" title=" Make into the object of study and examination. ">2</a></sup> the text has been to examine it historically to see where it came from and how it got to us. Such an approach noticing that there seems to be a &#8220;continuity error&#8221; here suggests that the text was written at some time later than the events described, and uses this and other signs to work out when and by whom. We could objectify the text in other ways, by examining it as an example of a particular genre or class of texts, against its sociological background&#8230;</p>
<p>The other way enters the &#8220;world&#8221; of the text, and reads it from the inside. This is to behave like a &#8220;reader&#8221; for this is how we read novels and other stories, indeed it is how we read physics textbooks too ;) In the case of Noah&#8217;s distinction my second answer (though it depends on a historical hypothesis and so perhaps looks like the same kind of answer as the first) tends in this direction. It is asking how we might explain this, not as a continuity error (the critic&#8217;s approach), but within Noah&#8217;s world (a readerly approach).</p>
<p>The great medieval Jewish commentator Rashi took a different readerly approach he explained it thus:</p>
<blockquote><p>Of all the clean animals: that are destined to be clean for Israel. We learn [from here] that Noah studied the Torah. (From <a title="Genesis 7:2 with Rashi" href="http://www.chabad.org/library/bible_cdo/aid/8170/showrashi/true/jewish/Chapter-7.htm#v2">Chabad.org</a>)</p></blockquote>
<p>Each basic direction of reading offers several different options or styles. But the basic question facing a reader of any text whether to read as critic or as reader. &#8220;Readers&#8221; must offer the text a willing suspension of disbelief<sup><a href="http://bigbible.org/sansblogue/bible/biblical-interpretation/two-ways-to-read/#footnote_2_1617" id="identifier_2_1617" class="footnote-link footnote-identifier-link" title=" The phrase is Coleridge&amp;#8217;s from the Biographia Literaria of 1817, to explain how readers might approach the fantastic or supernatural elements in his work, but has been widely used in thinking about how readers can read many sorts of fiction. (( JRR Tolkein has also nuanced it speaking about &amp;#8220;secondary belief&amp;#8221; based on an inner consistency to the reality described in the narrative. But that&amp;#8217;s getting too complicated for a short blog post ;) ">3</a></sup> Indeed the idea of a need to suspend disbelief can be helpful in thinking about the reading (as opposed to the criticism) of all narrative. For in a laboratory report also there are elements of the narration of the experiment that are omitted, or poorly described, where the reader must suspend disbelief. Despite the variety of both critical and readerly approaches, and despite the fact that they can even share approaches (as above either can examine the text historically), on the suspension of disbelief they differ fundamentally.</p>
<p>[Incidentally,<sup><a href="http://bigbible.org/sansblogue/bible/biblical-interpretation/two-ways-to-read/#footnote_3_1617" id="identifier_3_1617" class="footnote-link footnote-identifier-link" title=" Though not at all a HT ;) ">4</a></sup> Rabbi Yaakov Asher Sinclair has a really interesting meditation for Purim on "<a title="The Willing Suspension of Disbelief" href="http://ohr.edu/1507">The Willing Suspension of Disbelief</a>".]</p>
<ol class="footnotes"><li id="footnote_0_1617" class="footnote"> Except the last answer, because we really do <strong>not</strong> know ;) </li><li id="footnote_1_1617" class="footnote"> Make into the object of study and examination. </li><li id="footnote_2_1617" class="footnote"> The phrase is Coleridge&#8217;s from the <em>Biographia Literaria </em>of 1817, to explain how readers might approach the fantastic or supernatural elements in his work, but has been widely used in thinking about how readers can read many sorts of fiction. (( JRR Tolkein has also nuanced it speaking about &#8220;secondary belief&#8221; based on an inner consistency to the reality described in the narrative. But that&#8217;s getting too complicated for a short blog post ;) </li><li id="footnote_3_1617" class="footnote"> Though not at all a HT ;) </li></ol>]]></content:encoded>
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		<title>Global Perspectives on reading the Bible &#8211; Call for contributors</title>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 03 Jan 2012 17:34:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I have read the Bible professionally, and encouraged and taught others to read it, in three continents. The situations differed, including an African and a Western University, a Baptist theological college and a Bible School in a refugee camp. I have also supervised some exciting theses that develop interesting perspectives on understanding the Bible. So [...]]]></description>
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<p>I have read the Bible professionally, and encouraged and taught others to read it, in three continents. The situations differed, including an African and a Western University, a Baptist theological college and a Bible School in a refugee camp. I have also supervised some exciting theses that develop interesting perspectives on understanding the Bible. So I am delighted to be participating in a project <em>Global Perspectives on the Old Testament</em> and <em>Global Perspectives on the New Testament</em>, I&#8217;ll be writing on Gender-bending as a male reader of Esther and on Jeremiah, possibly taking account of my current context (fencing a piggery and building a pig house ;)</p>
<p>Mark is looking for more contributors, so please read the Call for Contributions below, and think about writing something, or at least repost it on your blog and so share in an interesting project :)</p>
<blockquote><p>Mark Roncace is seeking contributors for two volumes, <em>Global Perspectives on the Old Testament</em> and <em>Global Perspectives on the New Testament</em>. Pearson Prentice Hall is publishing <em>Global Perspectives on the Bible</em> this year. Next, separate OT and NT volumes, also to be published by Prentice Hall, will be produced. Both books will feature much of the same material as the original Bible volume, but with added essays.</p>
<p>The books—designed as entry level college textbooks—gather four different essays around one biblical text. The essays are brief (about 1,000 words and need not be &#8220;scholarly&#8221;) and articulate insights from a particular geographical, social, cultural, economic, religious, or ideological context/location. Here is the list of texts/books for which he need essays.</p>
<ul>
<li>Genesis 6-9</li>
<li>Numbers 22-24</li>
<li>Leviticus</li>
<li>Judges</li>
<li>1-2 Kings</li>
<li>Jeremiah</li>
<li>Ezekiel 1-25</li>
<li>Esther</li>
<li>Ecclesiastes</li>
<li>Daniel</li>
<li>Crucifixion narratives</li>
<li>Acts (other than chapter 2)</li>
<li>Corinthians</li>
<li>Galatians</li>
<li>1-2 Thessalonians</li>
<li>James</li>
<li>Pastorals (1-2 Timothy, Titus)</li>
<li>1-3 John</li>
<li>1-2 Peter</li>
</ul>
<p>Please let Mark know if you are interested (<a href="mailto:mroncace@wingate.edu" target="_blank">mroncace@wingate.edu</a>) in writing an essay on one (or two) of these texts and he will forward specific guidelines and a sample. In addition to scholars, Mark is particularly interested in gathering perspectives from non-professional readers. He is trying to run on a tight schedule: final OT essays are due April 1 and final NT essays are due June 1 (but remember they are only about 1,000 words).</p></blockquote>
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		<title>In which I agree with Carson and Piper!</title>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 08 Nov 2011 07:49:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[My ex-boss has been reading John Piper &#38; DA Carson&#8217;s The Pastor as Scholar and the Scholar as Pastor. These two are among the most prominent poster-boys for Conservative Evangelical (with very big Cs and Es) views. I have more sympathy for what I&#8217;ve read of Carson, but neither really connects with the things that [...]]]></description>
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<blockquote><p>Fight a common disjunction (the &#8216;critical&#8217; vs the the devotional reading of Scripture)<br />
<em>&#8220;My response, forcefully put, is to resist this disjunction, to eschew it, to do everything in your power to destroy it &#8230; when you read &#8216;devotionally&#8217;, keep your mind engaged; when you read &#8216;critically&#8217; (ie with more diligent and focused study, deploying a panoply of &#8216;tools&#8217;), never, ever forget whose Word it is. The aim is never to become a master of the Word, but to be mastered by it.&#8221; (91)</em></p></blockquote>
<p>That is SO true. One of the biggest problems with theological education in the last fifty years is that too often we have failed to help our students to &#8220;get&#8221; this. We&#8217;ve allowed them to develop schizophrenic lives where intellectual understanding and lived faith fail to meet. And that has been killing churches.</p>
<p>I&#8217;d disagree fundamentally and at almost every turn with Carson and with Piper on the conclusions of critical reading, but I agree 100% with this quote. It (together with Paul&#8217;s other extracts) is so good, it almost makes me want to read the book!</p>
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		<title>Study Bibles are cursed: let&#8217;s all join the chorus</title>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 27 Oct 2011 19:22:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[David Lamb has a fine rant: I hate Study Bibles. Here&#8217;s the heart of it: Study Bible comments are kind of like stuff on the internet. Sometimes the information is good, sometimes it’s junk. But at least when you go to the internet, you know you’re going to find some junk. You don’t expect to [...]]]></description>
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<p>David Lamb has a fine rant: <a href="http://davidtlamb.com/2011/10/26/i-hate-study-bibles/">I hate Study Bibles</a>. Here&#8217;s the heart of it:</p>
<blockquote><p>Study Bible comments are kind of like stuff on the internet. Sometimes the information is good, sometimes it’s junk. But at least when you go to the internet, you know you’re going to find some junk. You don’t expect to find junk in your Bible. At least you shouldn’t.</p>
<p>Some Study Bibles are relatively harmless, and even helpful at times. The notes are limited and just provide context and background that most typical Bible readers just don’t know.</p></blockquote>
<p>The curse in Rev 21:18 is fairly explicit:</p>
<blockquote><p>I warn everyone who hears the words of the prophecy of this scroll: If anyone adds anything to them, God will add to that person the plagues described in this scroll.</p></blockquote>
<p>A charitable interpretation would be that the curse only applies to Revelation (&#8220;this scroll&#8221;) in which case I suppose a &#8220;study bible&#8221; with ZERO additions to Revelation escapes the curse. But friends your trusty NIV Study Bible is cursed with all the plagues described in Revelation!</p>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 30 Sep 2011 01:38:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[The Southern Baptist Convention is apparently considering a name change. Jim West is upset (about this, as he is about so many other things). He&#8217;s thinking himself  that he&#8217;d &#8220;like to follow suit and consider a name-change for myself &#8220;. I have a great suggestion: How about changing your name to &#8220;Southern Baptist Convention&#8221; the [...]]]></description>
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<p>The <a href="http://zwingliusredivivus.wordpress.com/2011/09/29/the-southern-baptist-convention-is-considering-a-name-change/">Southern Baptist Convention is apparently considering a name change</a>. Jim West is upset (about this, as he is about so many other things). He&#8217;s thinking himself  that he&#8217;d &#8220;<em>like to follow suit and consider a name-change for myself </em>&#8220;.</p>
<p>I have a great suggestion:</p>
<p>How about changing your name to &#8220;Southern Baptist Convention&#8221; the first name echoes your existing surname, the second reflects your adherence, and Convention reminds us that names are merely convenient conventions :)</p>
<p>And besides, that way we&#8217;ll still have a Southern Baptist Convention to moan about even after the existing one is gone West ;)</p>
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