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		<title>Can Jim West pull off his trick?</title>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 17 May 2012 01:58:29 +0000</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>tim</dc:creator>
				<category><![CDATA[Bible: NT]]></category>
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		<description><![CDATA[Jim West has a post which he seems to think defuses one common argument used in debates about issues like gay marriage. He wrote: If you apply the OT legislation concerning homosexual behavior – that is, a man shall not lie with a man as with a woman, than you have to stop eating shrimp [...]]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<div class="fblike" style="height:25px; height:25px; overflow:hidden;"><iframe src="http://www.facebook.com/plugins/like.php?href=http%3A%2F%2Fbigbible.org%2Fsansblogue%2Fbible%2Fbiblical-interpretation%2Fcan-jim-west-pull-off-his-trick%2F&amp;layout=standard&amp;show_faces=true&amp;width=450&amp;action=like&amp;font=arial&amp;colorscheme=light" scrolling="no" frameborder="0" allow Transparency="true" style="border:none; overflow:hidden; width:450px;"></iframe></div><p>Jim West has <a href="http://zwingliusredivivus.wordpress.com/2012/05/15/homosexuality-shrimp-slaves-and-poor-hermeneutics/">a post </a>which he seems to think defuses one common argument used in debates about issues like gay marriage. He wrote:</p>
<blockquote><p>If you apply the OT legislation concerning homosexual behavior – that is, a man shall not lie with a man as with a woman, than you have to stop eating shrimp and you have to stop wearing garments of mixed fabrics’.</p>
<p>The problem with this argument is that it fails to distinguish moral law from ritual law.  As such, and as a failure to understand genre, category, and purpose, these arguments are flawed and inappropriate.</p></blockquote>
<p>Sounds good. Sounds scholarly&#8230; But will it work?</p>
<p>To be fair to Jim this is a longstanding and very convenient Christian approach to eating their cake and having it around still too. The problem, gay marriage apart, is that there are a ton of Old Testament laws Christians (even those who claim to be faithful Bible-believers) don&#8217;t want to follow. But even more they don&#8217;t want to be accused of cherry-picking the Bible &#8211; a horrible sin.</p>
<p>Along comes a fine upstanding, grey-bearded biblical scholar (or in view of recent discussion in various places, rabid scholarship hating religious person who happens to spend their life studying and teaching the Bible) and waves a magic wand and the nasty problem goes away. &#8220;You no longer have to obey <strong>ritual law</strong> because it has been anulled by the superior sacrifice of Christ on the cross.&#8221; They intone, &#8220;But you should still, of course, obey all the <strong>moral laws</strong>.&#8221;</p>
<p>Sounds good, but does it work?</p>
<p>Take Ex 21:22-25 :</p>
<blockquote><p>22 When people who are fighting injure a pregnant woman so that there is a miscarriage, and yet no further harm follows, the one responsible shall be fined what the woman&#8217;s husband demands, paying as much as the judges determine.<br />
23 If any harm follows, then you shall give life for life,<br />
24 eye for eye, tooth for tooth, hand for hand, foot for foot,<br />
25 burn for burn, wound for wound, stripe for stripe.</p></blockquote>
<p>Sounds like Christians for the death penalty are onto a good thing? &#8220;Oh, no!&#8221; interrupts the grey-bearded scholar (or possibly religious bigot in disguise) &#8220;That does not apply any more either, <strong>civil law</strong> is also abolished in Christ.&#8221;</p>
<p>Hmm. So, what makes the treatment of disorderly conduct, or slaves <strong>civil law</strong> and something else <strong>moral law</strong>? It&#8217;s quite simple really. Moral law is about sex and civil law isn&#8217;t.</p>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 07 Feb 2012 05:22:25 +0000</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>tim</dc:creator>
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		<description><![CDATA[If you would like a review copy of the print version of my new book: Tim Bulkeley, Not Only a Father: Talk of God as Mother in the Bible &#38; Christian Tradition (Signs) Auckland: Archer Press, 2011 ISBN: 978-1468091373 Please contact me, please say both where you expect to publish the review (blogs are quite [...]]]></description>
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<p>Tim Bulkeley, <em>Not Only a Father: Talk of God as Mother in the Bible &amp; Christian Tradition </em>(Signs) Auckland: Archer Press, 2011 ISBN: 978-1468091373</p>
<p>Please <a href="mailto:tim@carey.ac.nz">contact me</a>, please say both where you expect to publish the review (blogs are quite acceptable though a full review rather than a short note would be good) and when you are expect to write it. There are no conditions and you should be as critical as you normally would.</p>
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		<title>More on the Bible and marriage</title>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 01 Feb 2012 21:45:17 +0000</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>tim</dc:creator>
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		<description><![CDATA[Gavin (at Otagosh) posted a fairly long response to my piece Biblical marriages. Since he took the trouble to reply at some length as a post, I&#8217;ll do the same. His critique starts Then Tim makes an amazing statement: &#8220;In terms of the teaching of Scripture it is clear that Gen 2 is a privileged [...]]]></description>
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<p>Gavin (at Otagosh) posted a <a href="http://otagosh.blogspot.co.nz/2012/02/biblical-marriage.html">fairly long response</a> to my piece <a title="Permalink to Biblical marriages" href="../bible/bible-abuse/biblical-marriages/">Biblical marriages</a>. Since he took the trouble to reply at some length as a post, I&#8217;ll do the same.</p>
<p>His critique starts</p>
<blockquote><p>Then Tim makes an amazing statement: &#8220;In terms of the teaching of Scripture it is clear that Gen 2 is a privileged text (Jesus and Paul both cite it when discussing marriage).&#8221;</p>
<p>Genesis 2 is a privileged text?  In what sense?  Both Jesus and Paul cite other texts too.  Or, to be more specific, Paul and the <span>Gospel writers</span> cite other texts.<sup><a href="http://bigbible.org/sansblogue/bible/bible-abuse/more-on-the-bible-and-marriage/#footnote_0_1647" id="identifier_0_1647" class="footnote-link footnote-identifier-link" title=" I am sorry, I have spent half an hour playing with HTML but cannot reproduce gavin&amp;#8217;s emphasis in these quotes, something to do with the way this theme handles blockquotes :( ">1</a></sup></p></blockquote>
<p>Well, yes, evidently both Jesus and Paul<sup><a href="http://bigbible.org/sansblogue/bible/bible-abuse/more-on-the-bible-and-marriage/#footnote_1_1647" id="identifier_1_1647" class="footnote-link footnote-identifier-link" title=" See below, I&amp;#8217;ll continue to use these convenient shorthand designations despite Gavin&amp;#8217;s scorning of them. ">2</a></sup> also refer to other parts of Scripture. A full treatment of what the Bible says about marriage would need to treat them and yet other texts (that neither of these use) also. But still it seems to me, for a Christian reading of Scripture the fact that both Jesus and Paul (more than once) cite Gen 2 does make that passage a somewhat privileged locus for seeking a biblical understanding of marriage.<sup><a href="http://bigbible.org/sansblogue/bible/bible-abuse/more-on-the-bible-and-marriage/#footnote_2_1647" id="identifier_2_1647" class="footnote-link footnote-identifier-link" title=" Much like a blog post getting lots of links would privilegeit in Google&amp;#8217;s algorithms ;) ">3</a></sup> No, Gavin, I cannot accept that all texts, or passages, are equal. Like most people<sup><a href="http://bigbible.org/sansblogue/bible/bible-abuse/more-on-the-bible-and-marriage/#footnote_3_1647" id="identifier_3_1647" class="footnote-link footnote-identifier-link" title=" Except raging fundamentalists. ">4</a></sup> I have a &#8220;canon within the canon, though it will be different for different purposes and I think that (as I began to here)<sup><a href="http://bigbible.org/sansblogue/bible/bible-abuse/more-on-the-bible-and-marriage/#footnote_4_1647" id="identifier_4_1647" class="footnote-link footnote-identifier-link" title=" Though of course in a longer treatment I should have added other reasons, like the claim that Genesis serves as a preface to both the Torah and Scripture as a whole, and the further claim that the early chapters are particularly &amp;#8220;laden&amp;#8221; with significant teaching, and the claim that Gen 2 is &amp;#8220;about&amp;#8221; marriage and is one of few Old Testament texts that are&amp;#8230; ">5</a></sup></p>
<div id="attachment_1661" class="wp-caption alignright" style="width: 215px"><a href="http://www.just-pooh.com/history.html"><img class="size-full wp-image-1661" title="pk" src="http://bigbible.org/sansblogue/wp-content/uploads/2012/02/pk.gif" alt="" width="205" height="125" /></a><p class="wp-caption-text">From a webpage titled: History of Winnie the Pooh</p></div>
<p>Gavin continued:</p>
<blockquote><p>There were no &#8220;red letter&#8221; options available to indicate Jesus&#8217; actual words, quotation marks had yet to be invented, and speaking of &#8220;invented&#8221;, much (please note that I&#8217;m not saying all) of the material attributed to Jesus has clearly been put into his mouth.</p></blockquote>
<p>This seems to assume that when I say &#8220;Jesus&#8221; my interest is historical. There is a terrible tendency in modern thought to value history and &#8220;facts&#8221;. But I am not a historian, I am a theologian, my primary interest is not in reconstructing a plausible history but in the character &#8220;Jesus&#8221; who inspires and is the centre of the New Testament. This Jesus whether or not &#8220;invented&#8221;<sup><a href="http://bigbible.org/sansblogue/bible/bible-abuse/more-on-the-bible-and-marriage/#footnote_5_1647" id="identifier_5_1647" class="footnote-link footnote-identifier-link" title=" I know why I put quotation marks round the word, since i seriously doubt that the gospel authors or the traditions that may stand behind them intended to &amp;#8220;invent&amp;#8221;, but why does Gavin use scare quotes here? ">6</a></sup> does make special use of this passage.</p>
<p>This section of the post concludes:</p>
<blockquote><p>Tim&#8217;s decision to anoint Genesis two as &#8220;privileged&#8221; is entired [sic]<sup><a href="http://bigbible.org/sansblogue/bible/bible-abuse/more-on-the-bible-and-marriage/#footnote_6_1647" id="identifier_6_1647" class="footnote-link footnote-identifier-link" title=" PS3/2/12&nbsp; now corrected in the original post. ">7</a></sup> theological and subjective.</p></blockquote>
<p>I hope that I have shown that the first is entirely true, but perhaps to be expected of a theologian, and that the second is true only in the most general sense. I gave a reason that Gavin did not like, and in a short post failed to present any of the others, perhaps I have begun to rectify that lack above.</p>
<p>Gavin then quotes something I wrote and rejects it. I wrote:</p>
<blockquote><p>&#8220;in this (as in everything else) human sinfulness warps and twists God’s intent. All of the &#8216;biblical&#8217; marriages listed in the graphic reflect this.&#8221;</p></blockquote>
<p>Gavin replied:</p>
<blockquote><p>The problem is that, as Tim knows full well, <strong><em>the documents themselves</em></strong> contain little or no condemnation of these customs.  If there&#8217;s warping and twisting going on, wouldn&#8217;t you assume that this would be signalled <strong><em>within the text</em>?  </strong></p></blockquote>
<p>Well, Gavin and I might assume that, but the fact is that biblical narratives though they frequently recount the most terrible breaches of God&#8217;s desires (as expressed in the texts themselves) seldom mark them as such, we cannot rely on such explicit markers. But then the simple fact that no Bible character (with the arguable exception of Jesus) is presented without faults, sins and failings might suggest &#8211; and certainly does to my theological reading &#8211; that the Bible sees humans as sinful, warped and twisted. Nice middle-class liberal moderns may not like it, but we are all broken and in need of repair.</p>
<p>On the charge of biblicism that Gavin closes with, perhaps I&#8217;d be happy to plead guilty.</p>
<ol class="footnotes"><li id="footnote_0_1647" class="footnote"> I am sorry, I have spent half an hour playing with HTML but cannot reproduce gavin&#8217;s emphasis in these quotes, something to do with the way this theme handles blockquotes :( </li><li id="footnote_1_1647" class="footnote"> See below, I&#8217;ll continue to use these convenient shorthand designations despite Gavin&#8217;s scorning of them. </li><li id="footnote_2_1647" class="footnote"> Much like a blog post getting lots of links would privilegeit in Google&#8217;s algorithms ;) </li><li id="footnote_3_1647" class="footnote"> Except raging fundamentalists. </li><li id="footnote_4_1647" class="footnote"> Though of course in a longer treatment I should have added other reasons, like the claim that Genesis serves as a preface to both the Torah and Scripture as a whole, and the further claim that the early chapters are particularly &#8220;laden&#8221; with significant teaching, and the claim that Gen 2 is &#8220;about&#8221; marriage and is one of few Old Testament texts that are&#8230; </li><li id="footnote_5_1647" class="footnote"> I know why I put quotation marks round the word, since i seriously doubt that the gospel authors or the traditions that may stand behind them intended to &#8220;invent&#8221;, but why does Gavin use scare quotes here? </li><li id="footnote_6_1647" class="footnote"> PS3/2/12  now corrected in the original post. </li></ol>]]></content:encoded>
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		<title>Jesus and talk of God as father (part two)</title>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 31 Oct 2011 20:20:55 +0000</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>tim</dc:creator>
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		<description><![CDATA[See also: Jesus and talk of God as father (part one) When thinking about Jesus&#8217; talk of God as father it is useful to examine how, in fact, he pictured God the Father. What did he mean by calling God ‘father’? To set this question in context it is helpful to consider the cultural stereotypes [...]]]></description>
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<p>See also: <a title="Permalink to Jesus and talk of God as father (part one)" href="http://bigbible.org/sansblogue/nt/luke/jesus-and-talk-of-god-as-father-part-one/">Jesus and talk of God as father (part one)</a></p>
<p>When thinking about Jesus&#8217; talk of God as father it is useful to examine how, in fact, he pictured God the Father. What did he mean by calling God ‘father’? To set this question in context it is helpful to consider the cultural stereotypes of father that were common in the ancient Eastern Mediterranean and the Roman Empire. Authority and discipline (especially the disciplining of male children) were strong and frequent overtones of father-language in the ancient world. Pilch explained the cultural stereotypes of parents in the biblical world like this:</p>
<blockquote><p>Clearly, the father is viewed as severe, stern and authoritarian; the mother is viewed as loving and compassionate. Children respect and fear the father but love the mother affectionately even after they are married.<sup><a href="#sdfootnote1sym"><sup>1</sup></a></sup></p></blockquote>
<p>Such an understanding of the stern authoritarianism is almost absent<sup><a href="#sdfootnote2sym"><sup>2</sup></a></sup> from father-talk in the Gospels. Rather, in Jesus&#8217; speech, fathers feed and clothe their children (Matt 6:26-32; Luke 11:1-2, 13; 12:30; John 6:32 cf. Luke 24:49; John 6:27); give gifts to both good and bad children (Matt 5:45); are forgiving rather than punishing (Matt 6:14-15; 18:35; Mark 11:25; Luke 6:36 though the father does judge, in John 5:45; 8:16 but cf. 5:22); God as father deals with “infants” and “little ones” (Matt 11:25; 18:14; Luke 10:21). This divine “father” acts in ways which often fit the ancient world&#8217;s cultural stereotype of the mother more closely than they do the expectations of fatherly behaviour.</p>
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<p><span style="color: #000000;"><span style="font-family: Times New Roman,serif;"><span style="font-size: x-small;"><a href="#sdfootnote1anc">1</a> John J. Pilch, ‘Parenting,’ in John J. Pilch and Bruce J. Malina (eds.) <em>Handbook of Biblical Social Values</em> (Peabody: Hendrickson, 1998), 147.</span></span></span></p>
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<p><span style="color: #000000;"><span style="font-family: Times New Roman,serif;"><span style="font-size: x-small;"><a href="#sdfootnote2anc">2</a> Mat 21:30f.; John 14:28 may be exceptions.</span></span></span></p>
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		<title>Jesus and talk of God as father (part one)</title>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 19 Oct 2011 03:53:44 +0000</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>tim</dc:creator>
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		<description><![CDATA[At present I&#8217;m thinking and talking a lot about Jesus&#8217; talk of God as father, and whether this naming of God means that Christians cannot think of God as (also) motherly. The Old Testament used both father and mother-language to speak about God, but it used both seldom. Language such as shepherd, kinsman-redeemer, king, rock, [...]]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<div class="fblike" style="height:25px; height:25px; overflow:hidden;"><iframe src="http://www.facebook.com/plugins/like.php?href=http%3A%2F%2Fbigbible.org%2Fsansblogue%2Fnt%2Fluke%2Fjesus-and-talk-of-god-as-father-part-one%2F&amp;layout=standard&amp;show_faces=true&amp;width=450&amp;action=like&amp;font=arial&amp;colorscheme=light" scrolling="no" frameborder="0" allow Transparency="true" style="border:none; overflow:hidden; width:450px;"></iframe></div><p>At present I&#8217;m thinking and talking a lot about Jesus&#8217; talk of God as father, and whether this naming of God means that Christians cannot think of God as (also) motherly.</p>
<p>The Old Testament used both father and mother-language to speak about God, but it used both seldom. Language such as shepherd, kinsman-redeemer, king, rock, lion and other pictures were preferred, perhaps because they were less likely to require that God had a partner. A father can only be a father if someone else is a mother, and the reverse. Such language therefore presented a greater danger of a descent into polytheism. Neither rocks, kings or lions need some other being to define them as such. While shepherds need a flock, the relationship is not reciprocal, as it would be for mothers and fathers. Sometimes therefore the Bible uses language which describes an undefined parental caring (like in Hos 11:1ff.) without naming either parent, and on other occasions imagery which mentions both parents provides a balance (like in Job 38:28f. cf. Jer 2:27) also helps avoid this danger. As we have seen there was also explicitly motherly language most notably in Isaiah 40ff. (Is 42:14; 43:1ff.; 42:2, 21ff.; 45:8ff.; 46:3f.; 49:13-21; 50:1-3; 66:7ff.) The New Testament, from the gospels onward, seems to contrast with both this reticence and balance. Father-language becomes common, and indeed ‘Father’ becomes a name for God. </span></p>
<p>This use of father as a name for God, first in the New Testament and then in Christian tradition until today, presents perhaps the most significant barrier to wide acceptance of the thesis of this book. For, the claim that the Christian God is as much like a mother as a father, sits uncomfortably with this New Testament use of “father” as a name for God. This discomfort is heightened if we recognise that Jesus own talk of God stands as the basis for the later naming of God as “father”. It is therefore important to examine this New Testament usage carefully. </span></p>
<p>Some German scholarship from the middle of the last century represented the father-language of the New Testament as a unique contribution made by Jesus. It was, they said, unlike both his Jewish forebears and his Early Church followers, because it was more frequent, personal and intimate than either. Much was made of Jesus&#8217; use of </span>ἀββα  <em>abba</em></span>(Mark 14:36 cf. Gal 4:6; Rom 8:15),</span>which was presented as being a baby-talk (and so more intimate and personal) version of ‘father’. They claimed in the light of this that there was a link between Jesus&#8217; special intimacy with God and his and then the church&#8217;s subsequent use of father-language.</span><sup><a name="sdfootnote1anc" href="#sdfootnote1sym"><sup>1</sup></a></span></sup></p>
<p>A more careful look at the evidence has questioned these claims. More recent scholarship asks whether Jesus himself was as clearly the beginning and driver of this father language as had been argued. Jeremias himself was aware of a striking feature of the Gospels&#8217; father-talk for God on the lips of Jesus.</span><a name="sdfootnote2anc" href="#sdfootnote2sym"><sup>2</sup></a></span></sup>This usage seems to show a clear pattern (as argued by Hofius in <em>New International Dictionary of New Testament Theology)</em></span><sup><a name="sdfootnote3anc" href="#sdfootnote3sym"><sup>3</sup></a> </span></sup>suggesting that talk of God as father in the gospels increased as the distance of the memory from Jesus himself increased.</p>
<p>To put this claim in context before examining it further, father-language is used commonly across the New Testament to speak of God. In his response to an earlier publication of mine making these arguments Keown cited twenty three such references “in the undisputed Paulines”<a name="sdfootnote4anc" href="#sdfootnote4sym"><sup>4</sup></a> and a further eighteen in letters of disputed authorship,<a name="sdfootnote5anc" href="#sdfootnote5sym"><sup>5</sup> </a>father language is especially common in the Johannine writings (1, 2 &amp; 3 John and Rev)<a name="sdfootnote6anc" href="#sdfootnote6sym"><sup>6</sup> </a>and in 1 Peter, but is also found in Acts, Hebrews, 2 Peter and Jude.<a name="sdfootnote7anc" href="#sdfootnote7sym"><sup>7</sup> </a>The phrase “the God and Father of our lord Jesus” (Rom 15:6; 1 Cor 1:3; 2 Cor 1:3; 11:31; Eph 1:3, 17; Col 1:3; 1 Thess 1:1; 1 Peter 1:3) and the fact that God the father and Christ as son are correlated (by mention together) very frequently.<a name="sdfootnote8anc" href="#sdfootnote8sym"><sup>8</sup> </a>Indicate clearly that the earliest Christians found the pairing of thought of God as father and Jesus as the son of God to be productive. For one of the key concerns of the New Testament writers was to make sense of, and to explore ways to talk about, who Jesus was and what his life, death, and resurrection mean.</span></p>
<p>There are traces in the New Testament of what is likely to be an earlier attempt to understand who Jesus was by likening him to divine personified Wisdom who in the Old Testament was pictured as the first-born of creation (Pr 8:22), existing before the earth (Pr 8:23ff.), with God at creation (Pr 8:27ff.) and who could say: “whoever finds me finds life and obtains favour from the LORD” (Pr 8:35). The earliest strands of the New Testament, and in particular Paul (and what are sometimes claimed to be pre-Pauline hymns) make the most use of the figure of Wisdom to understand Jesus in relation to God. ‘What pre-Christian Judaism said of Wisdom, and Philo also of the Logos, Paul and the others say of Jesus. The role that Proverbs, ben Sira, etc. ascribe to Wisdom, these earliest Christians ascribe to Jesus.’<a name="sdfootnote9anc" href="#sdfootnote9sym"><sup>9</sup> </a></span>However, Wisdom Christology was not adequate to their understanding of Christ and his work, for Wisdom was neither human, nor truly divine. Talking of Father and Son enabled these things to be protected, especially when it took place in the context of Jesus&#8217; designation as also “Son of Man”.</p>
<p>Considering the memories of Jesus&#8217; use of father language to speak of God, Hofius&#8217; quotes these figures for the use of such language in Jesus&#8217; remembered words</p>
<table>
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<td>Mark:</td>
<td> 3 </span></td>
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<td>Material common to Matthew and Luke:</td>
<td> 4 </span></td>
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<td>Material special to Luke:</td>
<td> 4 </span></td>
</tr>
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<td>Material special to Matthew:</td>
<td> 31 </span></td>
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<td>and John:</td>
<td> 100</span><sup><a name="sdfootnote10anc" href="#sdfootnote10sym"><sup>10</sup> </a></span></sup></td>
</tr>
</table>
<p>In an earlier work I used this evidence to claim “The further removed from the historical Jesus the more likely a writer is to talk about God as father.”<a name="sdfootnote11anc" href="#sdfootnote11sym"><sup>11</sup> </a>Those figures and my interpretation of them </span>have been questioned by Mark Keown, though his presentation of the evidence seems to show an even more pronounced pattern:</p>
<table>
<tr>
<td>Mark:</td>
<td> 5</span></td>
</tr>
<tr>
<td>Material common to Matthew and Luke:</td>
<td> 9 </span></td>
</tr>
<tr>
<td>Material special to Luke:</td>
<td> 5</span></td>
</tr>
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<td>Material special to Matthew:</td>
<td> 18</span></td>
</tr>
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<td>and John:</td>
<td> 117 </span></td>
</tr>
</table>
<p>Interestingly as well as the high usage in John, and in the material particular to Matthew, Keown notes that Matthew five times adds the term “father” to material which is also found in Luke but where this term was missing there (Matt 5:45 cf. Lk 6:35; Matt 6:26 cf. Lk 12:24; Matt 7:21 cf. Lk 6:46-7; Matt 10:29 cf. Lk 12:6; Matt 18:14 cf. Lk 15:7). Whichever the order of composition of these two gospels this suggests that Matthew&#8217;s tradition was significantly more likely than Luke&#8217;s to remember Jesus as having used this name for God. This suggests the question: Is it more likely that Matthew remembers this name, which became typical Christian usage, where it had not in fact been present, or that Luke forgot it? In both the gospels and in the rest of the New Testament “father” is used of God most often in John and the Johannine writings (11 times in 1 John; 3 in 2 John; and 5 in Revelation).<a name="sdfootnote12anc" href="#sdfootnote12sym"><sup>12</sup> </a>So there is clear evidence for differential preferences for father-god language, with the Johannine writings, Matthew and 1 Peter showing the strongest tendency to use such langauge and Mark and Luke among those who use it least. </span></p>
<p>These usages suggest that: (a) Jesus did call God father, but that (b) he may have done so less than he was remembered as doing, and less himself than the early Christians did. Mark and Luke have only a few examples each, while Matthew remember him as doing so in sayings were he may well have used “God” or the “Most High” as Luke suggests. John develops a strong theology of the Father/Son relationship. In general this father-God language is more frequent in the New Testament in general than it is in quoted speech of Jesus (except in John, and it is often suggested that John reconstructs Jesus&#8217; speeches theologically more than the Synoptics did). </span></p>
<p>If Jesus called God father (as indeed Jewish usage in his time sometimes did)<a name="sdfootnote13anc" href="#sdfootnote13sym"><sup>13</sup> </a>and early Christians made significant use of both the image of Christ as the “son of God” and of Christians being invited into sharing such sonship “in Christ”. The fairly frequent usage of “father” of God in Paul also fits with this a picture of father language about God being more common in the early church than it was on Jesus&#8217; own lips.<sup><a name="sdfootnote14anc" href="#sdfootnote14sym"><sup>14</sup></a></sup> </span></p>
<p>The expression ‘Father in heaven’, and other use of father-language to speak of God was becoming more common (than the sparse Old Testament usage) in Palestinian Judaism by Jesus&#8217; time. In the Old Testament such language was almost exclusively used in relation to the nation or community as a whole, while by the First Century the use had begun to extend to individuals having God as father as well.</span><sup><span style="font-family: Times New Roman,serif;"><a name="sdfootnote15anc" href="#sdfootnote15sym"><sup>15</sup></a></span></sup>So it would seem that the earliest witnesses to Jesus&#8217; speech remember him as using language about God as father in ways which would not have seemed abnormal in a Jewish teacher of his time and place, while in the Early Church such language becomes a distinctive practice. </span></p>
<p>Pointing out that use of Father as a name for God was probably remembered in Jesus&#8217; speech more often than he in fact used such language, does not deny that Jesus spoke of God as a ‘father’ or even used Father as a name for God. However, it should caution us from making too much of the supposed origin of this language in Jesus. </span></p>
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<p><a name="sdfootnote1sym" href="#sdfootnote1anc">1 </a>Jeremias is still sometimes cited in support of this claim, although he wrote: ‘One often reads (and I myself believed it at one time) that when Jesus spoke to his heavenly Father he took up the chatter of a small child. To assume this would be a piece of inadmissible naivety.’ J. Jeremias, <em>The Prayers of Jesus</em> (SBT 2/6; London: SCM) 1967, 62 (translated by John Bowen from <em>Abba: Studien zur neutestamentlichen Theologie und Zeitgeschichte,</em> (Göttingen: Vandenhoeck &amp; Ruprecht, 1966).</span></span></span></p>
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<div id="sdfootnote2">
<p> <a name="sdfootnote2sym" href="#sdfootnote2anc">2 </a>Jeremias, <em>The Prayers of Jesus</em>, 29ff..</span></span></span></p>
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<div id="sdfootnote3">
<p> <a name="sdfootnote3sym" href="#sdfootnote3anc">3 </a>O. Hofius, ‘Father’ in Colin Brown (ed) <em>New International Dictionary of New Testament Theology</em> (Grand Rapids: Zondervan, 1986), 619-20. Hofius gives: <span style="font-family: Times New Roman,serif;">Mark: 3; Material common to Matthew and Luke: 4; Material special to Luke: 4; Material special to Matthew: 31; and John: 100</span></span></span></span></p>
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<div id="sdfootnote4">
<p><a name="sdfootnote4sym" href="#sdfootnote4anc">4 </a>Mark Keown, “The image of the invisible God: A response to Tim Bulkeley” in Myk Habets and Beulah Wood (eds) <em>Reconsidering Gender: Evangelical Perspectives </em>(Eugene, OR: Pickwick) 2011, 44, n.14: Rom 1:7; 6:4; 8:15; 15:6; 1 Cor 1:3; 8:6; 15:24; 2 Cor 1:2, 3; 6:18; 11:31; Gal 1:1, 3, 4; 4:6; Phil 1:2; 2:11; 4:20; 2 Thess 1:1, 3; 3:11, 13; Phlm 3.</p>
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<div id="sdfootnote5">
<p><a name="sdfootnote5sym" href="#sdfootnote5anc">5 </a>Ibid., n.15: Eph 1:2, 3, 17; 2:18; 3:14; 4:6; 5:20; 6:23; Col 1:2, 3, 12; 3:17; 2 Thess 1:1, 2; 2:16; 1 Tim 1:2; 2 Tim 1:2; Tit 1:4</p>
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<div id="sdfootnote6">
<p><a name="sdfootnote6sym" href="#sdfootnote6anc">6 </a>Ibid., 45, n.23: 1 John 1:2, 3; 2:1, 14, 15, 16, 22, 23, 24; 3:1; 4:14; 2 John 3, 4, 9; Rev 1:6; 2:28; 3:5, 21; 14:1</p>
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<div id="sdfootnote7">
<p><a name="sdfootnote7sym" href="#sdfootnote7anc">7 </a>Ibid. Acts 1:4, 7; 2:33; Hebrews 1:5 (2x); 12:9; 1 Peter 1:2, 3, 17; 2 Pet 1:17; Jude 1.</p>
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<div id="sdfootnote8">
<p><a name="sdfootnote8sym" href="#sdfootnote8anc">8 </a>Indeed in the epistles father language of God and son language of Christ are rarely separated.</p>
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<div id="sdfootnote9">
<p> <a name="sdfootnote9sym" href="#sdfootnote9anc">9 </a>James D. G. Dunn, Christology in the Making: A New Testament Inquiry Into the Origins of the Doctrine of the Incarnation (Grand Rapids: Eerdmans, 1996), 167.</span></span></span></p>
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<div id="sdfootnote10">
<p> <a name="sdfootnote10sym" href="#sdfootnote10anc">10 </a>By comparison Paul uses such language about 40 times only.</span></span></span></p>
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<p><a name="sdfootnote11sym" href="#sdfootnote11anc">11 </a>Tim Bulkeley, “The image of the invisible God: (An)iconic knowing, God, and gender” in Myk Habets and Beulah Wood (eds) <em>Reconsidering Gender: Evangelical Perspectives </em>(Eugene, OR: Pickwick) 2011, 20-37, the quote is from 34.</p>
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<div id="sdfootnote12">
<p> <a name="sdfootnote12sym" href="#sdfootnote12anc">12 </a>Mark Keown, “The image of the invisible God: A response to Tim Bulkeley” in Myk Habets and Beulah Wood (eds) <em>Reconsidering Gender: Evangelical Perspectives </em>(Eugene, OR: Pickwick) 2011, 44-45. </span></span></span></p>
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<p><a name="sdfootnote13sym" href="#sdfootnote13anc">13 </a>Jeremias, <em>The Prayers of Jesus</em>, 15-29; Alon Goshen-Gottstein, ‘God the Father in Rabbinic Judaism and Christianity: Transformed Background or Common Ground?’ <em>Journal of Ecumenical Studies </em>38 (Fall 2001), 470- 504 (for a more recent and critical Jewish perspective).</p>
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<p> <a name="sdfootnote14sym" href="#sdfootnote14anc">14 </a>I am unconvinced by Jeremias&#8217; claim that since it is used in Jesus&#8217; prayers it was necessarily his own usage, since Jesus&#8217; prayers like his other speech comes to us remembered by others, whose own patterns of prayer may influence the wording they remember. We know that this usage was common in the earliest church.</span></span></span></p>
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<p> <a name="sdfootnote15sym" href="#sdfootnote15anc">15 </a>Ibid.</span></span></span></p>
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		<title>Ancestry and prostitution</title>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 18 Nov 2010 18:17:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I was asked an interesting question: How did Jewish people feel about having Rahab (the foreign prostitute) in their family tree? My suspicion is that the question itself presupposes bourgeois attitudes. Members of the underclasses surely have a better understanding of the economic and social pressures that cause women to become prostitutes. One should not [...]]]></description>
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<p>My suspicion is that the question itself presupposes bourgeois attitudes. Members of the underclasses surely have a better understanding of the economic and social pressures that cause women to become prostitutes. One should not despise an ugly bastard, rather his even uglier<sup><a href="http://bigbible.org/sansblogue/bible/ancestry-and-prostitution/#footnote_0_767" id="identifier_0_767" class="footnote-link footnote-identifier-link" title="Since surely if the man was not an ugly person he would stay around to care for his child.">1</a></sup> father&#8230;</p>
<p>One clue to this may be Jesus&#8217; genealogy in Mat 1, where Rahab is the second woman named, and Tamar (another foreigner) who we are told in the biblical narrative (Gen 38) was forced into (temporary and selective) prostitution by the wrong done by Judah. Matthew seems to have expected no prudish revulsion from his readers!</p>
<p>Then there&#8217;s Rashi  (one of the best-known and best of the traditional Jewish Bible readers) who commenting on <a href="http://www.chabad.org/library/bible_cdo/aid/15786/showrashi/true">Rahab&#8217;s profession in Josh 2:1</a> follows an even older Aramaic paraphrase of Joshua and translates  Rabab&#8217;s profession: &#8220;<em>Innkeeper:</em> זונה. <em>Targum Jon. renders: Innkeeper, one  who sells various foodstuffs</em> (מזונות).&#8221; Which might suggest the medieval scholar felt some embarrassment at the thought of Rahab the prostitute. Except a few verses later <a href="http://www.chabad.org/library/bible_cdo/aid/15786/showrashi/true#v211">he comments</a>: &#8220;<em>as the Rabbis said: There was neither prince or ruler who had no relations with Rahab the harlot. She was  ten years old when the Israelites departed from Egypt, and she practiced  harlotry for forty years.</em>&#8221;</p>
<p>Rashi recognises her as a harlot, but seems also to recognise the power relationship operating &#8220;<em>There was not a prince or ruler who had not had relations with Rahab the harlot</em>.&#8221; And so does not seem embarrassed by her past. Perhaps the fact that Christians today are embarrassed is a sign of the &#8220;gentrification&#8221; of the church?<sup><a href="http://bigbible.org/sansblogue/bible/ancestry-and-prostitution/#footnote_1_767" id="identifier_1_767" class="footnote-link footnote-identifier-link" title="Which reminds me of a Facebook status update I read earlier: &amp;#8220;If you want to catch fish don&amp;#8217;t throw your net into the bath tub!&amp;#8221; to which I replied &amp;#8220;I will make you fishers of cute little yellow ducks ;) ">2</a></sup></p>
<p>recognising either (or perhaps both of) people change, and/or women  don&#8217;t choose to be prostitutes&#8230; either way she would be an ancestor to  be proud of!</p>
<ol class="footnotes"><li id="footnote_0_767" class="footnote">Since surely if the man was not an ugly person he would stay around to care for his child.</li><li id="footnote_1_767" class="footnote">Which reminds me of a Facebook status update I read earlier: &#8220;<em>If you want to catch fish don&#8217;t throw your net into the bath tub</em>!&#8221; to which I replied &#8220;<em>I will make you fishers of cute little yellow ducks</em> ;) </li></ol>]]></content:encoded>
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		<title>Bible Abuse</title>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 12 Apr 2010 04:37:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[For years now I&#8217;ve been getting more and more fed up with the way weird sects, and Christians who have become nearly as weird, get away with making the Bible mean whatever they like.  It is no wonder that less and less Christians (in the West) bother to read the Bible, if it means half [...]]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<div class="fblike" style="height:25px; height:25px; overflow:hidden;"><iframe src="http://www.facebook.com/plugins/like.php?href=http%3A%2F%2Fbigbible.org%2Fsansblogue%2Fbible%2Fbible-abuse%2Fbible-abuse%2F&amp;layout=standard&amp;show_faces=true&amp;width=450&amp;action=like&amp;font=arial&amp;colorscheme=light" scrolling="no" frameborder="0" allow Transparency="true" style="border:none; overflow:hidden; width:450px;"></iframe></div><p>For years now I&#8217;ve been getting more and more fed up with the way weird sects, and Christians who have become nearly as weird, get away with making the Bible mean whatever they like.  It is no wonder that less and less Christians (in the West) bother to read the Bible, if it means half the things that people have told me with a straight face that it says, then it is not worth reading.</p>
<p>So, many readers make the Bible out to teach oppression of one sort or another, women subservient to men, children to adults,  anyone who enjoys life to the killjoys and their dumb rules&#8230; And it is not just the Jehovah&#8217;s Witnesses, the raving loony fundamentalists,   or the nutty Neo-Athiests, sadly there are loads of people in ordinary churches who love the Bible, yet abuse it terribly.</p>
<p>Then I taught a course at Carey &#8220;Understanding and Interpreting the Bible&#8221;, which <a href="http://bigbible.org/sansblogue/?p=124">I mentioned in a post on the old blog</a>. Nothing fancy, a beginner&#8217;s class, using a slim paperback as its textbook : Duvall, J Scott, and J Daniel Hays <em><a href="http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/0310259665?ie=UTF8&amp;tag=electriangelsfoo&amp;linkCode=as2&amp;camp=1789&amp;creative=9325&amp;creativeASIN=0310259665">Journey into God&#8217;s word : your guide to understanding and applying the Bible</a>.</em> Grand Rapids  Mich.: Zondervan, 2008. Yet several times during the semester students said things like &#8220;Why don&#8217;t they teach us this in church?&#8221;.</p>
<p>So I&#8217;m trying. A series of sermons at Blockhouse Bay that finbished a few weeks ago, and now a seminar at Easter camp. A screencast using the audio from that seminar is below, and below that a link to the audio of some of the question and answer session (sadly my recorder ran out before the end :(</p>
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<p style="text-align: center;"><a href="../wp-content/uploads/2010/04/questions.mp3">Question Time from the Bible Abuse Session at Easter camp</a> (MP3 file)</p>
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PS: I should note that this project began before I heard about Manfred Brauch&#8217;s book, and though I now have a copy I have not yet read it. For more on that book see  Karyn&#8217;s <a href="http://boulders2bits.com/archives/2009/11/03/using-and-abusing-scripture/">Using and Abusing Scripture</a> and the post of the same title on <a href="http://blog.beliefnet.com/jesuscreed/2009/11/using-and-abusing-scripture.html">Jesus Creed from the end of last year</a>.</p>
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