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		<title>The heresy of democracy</title>
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		<pubDate>Sun, 20 May 2012 21:30:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[There&#8217;s a day event at Carey soon Baptist Church and Leadership. So it was interesting to come across this post from five years ago. Much has changed, Rhetspect has died, or moved on leaving no forwarding address, yet, I think I&#8217;d still stand by my dinosaur vision of what leadership ought to mean among a [...]]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<div class="fblike" style="height:25px; height:25px; overflow:hidden;"><iframe src="http://www.facebook.com/plugins/like.php?href=http%3A%2F%2Fbigbible.org%2Fsansblogue%2Fspirituality%2Ftheology%2Fthe-heresy-of-democracy%2F&amp;layout=standard&amp;show_faces=true&amp;width=450&amp;action=like&amp;font=arial&amp;colorscheme=light" scrolling="no" frameborder="0" allow Transparency="true" style="border:none; overflow:hidden; width:450px;"></iframe></div><p>There&#8217;s a day event at Carey soon <a href="https://www.facebook.com/events/322976857770436/">Baptist Church and Leadership</a>. So it was interesting to come across this post from five years ago. Much has changed, Rhetspect has died, or moved on leaving no forwarding address, yet, I think I&#8217;d still stand by my dinosaur vision of what leadership ought to mean among a people called Baptist.</p>
<h2><a title="permanent link" href="http://www.bigbible.org/blog/2007/05/why-be.htm"> Why &#8220;Baptist&#8221;?</a></h2>
<p>Rhett (of the Rhetspect) has a post (Feeling Strangely Warmed) in which he comments:</p>
<blockquote><p><img src="http://www.bigbible.org/blog/quote.gif" alt="" width="36" height="26" align="left" />People, I think usually just end up in denominations, and then often work backwards and try to justify (to themselves as much as anyone else) why they belong there.</p>
<p>Baptists, endearingly, seem to be quite honest about this. There is no major over-arching vision statement or document of beliefs. On most theological issues they give a pretty wide berth. As I have said before, it&#8217;s a great ecumenical approach.</p>
<p>Having said that, I find the whole congregational governance thing a bit hard to stomach. It&#8217;s just a bit reactionary for my tastes. But perhaps that&#8217;s because I was once involved in a Baptist church where we voted on everything down to the copy machine budget.<img src="http://www.bigbible.org/blog/quoteend.gif" alt="" width="36" height="26" align="top" /></p></blockquote>
<p>So first, as a Baptist (not quite, but nearly, life-long) I&#8217;ll be &#8211; I hope &#8211; endearingly honest about this, I am (still) a Baptist precisely because of the congregational and Christ-centeredness of Baptist life. The picture of &#8220;voting on everything&#8221; simply misunderstands. In an ideal church meeting (which does not exist, see Genesis 3) we would vote on nothing. The Church (the local gathered community of Jesus followers) would pray, discuss, argue, debate, and finally recognise, which way the Spirit is blowing and follow.</p>
<p>In the real world, we often often end up voting. That&#8217;s because of contagious heteropraxis [If you don't understand see Rhett's <a title="Site: RHETTSPECT - Professional Blogger, Baby!" href="http://rhettspect.blogspot.com/2007/05/feeling-strangely-warned.html" target="_blank">Feeling Strangely Warned</a> and substitute "praxis" (doing) for "doxy" believing.] what I mean is that we hear of congregations voting, and our society votes, we&#8217;re democratic, so the church copies the world. When we do, we think of Church as &#8220;democratic&#8221; what a heresy! We should be pneumocratic, governed by the Spirit of Christ. And that&#8217;s why Baptists should be Bible centered, because we know the mind of Christ through the Scriptures that witness to him.</p>
<p>So, Rhett (and anyone else ;-) if that&#8217;s &#8220;reactionary&#8221; then I&#8217;m an old reactionary &#8211; boots and all!</p>
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		<title>(An) original sin?</title>
		<link>http://bigbible.org/sansblogue/bible/biblical-interpretation/an-original-sin/</link>
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		<pubDate>Sun, 26 Feb 2012 22:04:19 +0000</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>tim</dc:creator>
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		<description><![CDATA[For some reason the doctrine of original sin is problematic. It (along with the notion that the Godhead defies mathematics, by being both three and one) is one of the most often rejected Christian ideas. It is also apparently one of the drivers of the &#8220;Adam and Eve have to be actual people else the [...]]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<div class="fblike" style="height:25px; height:25px; overflow:hidden;"><iframe src="http://www.facebook.com/plugins/like.php?href=http%3A%2F%2Fbigbible.org%2Fsansblogue%2Fbible%2Fbiblical-interpretation%2Fan-original-sin%2F&amp;layout=standard&amp;show_faces=true&amp;width=450&amp;action=like&amp;font=arial&amp;colorscheme=light" scrolling="no" frameborder="0" allow Transparency="true" style="border:none; overflow:hidden; width:450px;"></iframe></div><div id="attachment_1721" class="wp-caption alignright" style="width: 222px"><a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hans_Sebald_Beham"><img class="size-medium wp-image-1721" title="424px-Adam_and_Eve" src="http://bigbible.org/sansblogue/wp-content/uploads/2012/02/424px-Adam_and_Eve-212x300.jpg" alt="" width="212" height="300" /></a><p class="wp-caption-text">Adam and Eve by Hans Sebald Beham</p></div>
<p>For some reason the doctrine of original sin is problematic. It (along with the notion that the Godhead defies mathematics, by being both three and one) is one of the most often rejected Christian ideas. It is also apparently one of the drivers of the &#8220;Adam and Eve <strong>have </strong>to be actual people else the whole of Christian faith fails&#8221; movement (among both gleeful atheists and raging fundamentalists alike). Two of my NZ-based blogging companions (<a href="http://otagosh.blogspot.co.nz/2012/02/evolution-of-adam-view-from-cheap-seats.html">Otagosh </a>and <a href="http://xenos-theology.blogspot.co.nz/2012/02/adam-and-paul.html">ξἐνος</a>) have responded to Peter Enns book<em> <a href="http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/158743315X/ref=as_li_ss_tl?ie=UTF8&amp;tag=themissingdim-20&amp;link_code=as3&amp;camp=211189&amp;creative=373489&amp;creativeASIN=158743315X">The Evolution of Adam</a> </em>I have not read the book and so make no claim to be responding to Enns.<em><br />
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<p>But, let&#8217;s step back and ask a few questions about &#8220;original sin&#8221;. If we preface the term by the indefinite article it seems evident to me that there is no such thing as &#8220;an original sin&#8221;. Granted someone somewhere can claim the &#8220;honour&#8221; of having been the first laptop thief. Laptop theft was not a possible crime until the moment when luggables evolved into laptops. But was his sin &#8220;original&#8221;, not a bit of it! Theft of various objects for motives very like his have been committed since before the dawn of history. Indeed many sins can be seen in animals. One of our sheep (one of the bigger and bossier, not the biggest, but perhaps the bossiest) has an addiction to the sweet fruity aroma and taste of &#8220;Sheep Nuts&#8221;. When we go into the paddock with a box she will butt and heave her sisters out of the way to ensure she gets more. She will even pretend to run off causing a mini-stampede, so that she can then &#8220;bravely&#8221; be the first to return and gain an extra share. So where on the &#8220;Great Chain of Being&#8221; does greed &#8220;originate&#8221;. It is not original to humans, and probably not to mammals&#8230;</p>
<p>So, there is no such thing as an &#8220;original&#8221; sin. On the other hand, sin is inherent in all of us. That sheep is not uniquely sinful while her sisters are  virtuous, and that cute nine day old baby at the wedding on Saturday (though deserving the accolades of &#8220;what a GOOD baby&#8221;) is actually a selfish monster, just like you and I were, and still are when we forget our learned goodness!</p>
<p>But if there are no original sins, just adaptations of existing ones, equally none of us lives a pure and sinless life until one dreadful day we commit our first sin, we are inclined to sin from the start. Nothing is more selfish than a baby!</p>
<p>So does this mean that Paul&#8217;s whole theological edifice comes tumbling down? By no means, we are sinful (by nature inclined to sin and in fact sinners)<sup><a href="http://bigbible.org/sansblogue/bible/biblical-interpretation/an-original-sin/#footnote_0_1720" id="identifier_0_1720" class="footnote-link footnote-identifier-link" title=" Just like &amp;#8220;Adam&amp;#8221; whether he was an actual person or a personification of human origins &amp;#8211; and incidentally while we are on the subject does the fact that Paul does not here mention Eve mean that she is not also responsible for our sinful gene, is it somehow attached to the Y chromosome. In that case are all women sinless as Eve? ;) ">1</a></sup> we need to be freed from the power of this, and from its consequences.</p>
<ol class="footnotes"><li id="footnote_0_1720" class="footnote"> Just like &#8220;Adam&#8221; whether he was an actual person or a personification of human origins &#8211; and incidentally while we are on the subject does the fact that Paul does not here mention Eve mean that she is not also responsible for our sinful gene, is it somehow attached to the Y chromosome. In that case are all women sinless as Eve? ;) </li></ol>]]></content:encoded>
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		<title>The Ethics of Animal Testing and being Carnivorous</title>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 07 Feb 2012 22:09:54 +0000</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>tim</dc:creator>
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		<description><![CDATA[I was recently asked about the ethics of animal testing. While I&#8217;m aware that it is a very contentious issue for &#8220;animal rights activists&#8221; it is not one I have thought much about. Though, since I grow animals to eat, I am closer existentially to that related issue than someone who gets their meat from [...]]]></description>
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<p>I was recently asked about the ethics of animal testing. While I&#8217;m aware that it is a very contentious issue for &#8220;animal rights activists&#8221; it is not one I have thought much about. Though, since I grow animals to eat, I am closer existentially to that related issue than someone who gets their meat from the supermarket.</p>
<p>It seems to me there are some simple principles that provide guidance:</p>
<ul>
<li>God made animals so we have a general responsibility to care for them like for the rest of creation (see Gen 1)</li>
<li>God explicitly allowed the use of animals for human benefit including killing them to eat (see Gen 9:3) n.b. I&#8217;d see this extending to the next line&#8230;</li>
<li>Research and testing which is of other great benefit for humans should also therefore be considered within God&#8217;s will.</li>
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<div>
<div id="attachment_1680" class="wp-caption alignright" style="width: 310px"><a href="http://bigbible.org/sansblogue/wp-content/uploads/2012/02/Pig-breeding-factory.jpg"><img class="size-medium wp-image-1680" title="Pig-breeding-factory" src="http://bigbible.org/sansblogue/wp-content/uploads/2012/02/Pig-breeding-factory-300x225.jpg" alt="" width="300" height="225" /></a><p class="wp-caption-text">We have a duty to care for God&#39;s creation - including other creatures we use for food.</p></div>
<p>This leads to the tentative conclusions:</p></div>
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<ol>
<li>We have the right to use animals for our benefit. (This is an extension, but a small one of the permission to eat them in Gen 9:3. Testing products for safety would (to my mind) fall under this category.<br />
BUT</li>
<li>We have a responsibility to care for them, and so the testing should not be cruel nor unnecessary.</li>
</ol>
<div>I suspect that in NZ the Government and the SPCA ensure testing is not cruel and is &#8220;necessary&#8221;. So, cautiously, I am in favour of animal testing.</div>
<div></div>
<div>OTOH, especially now that I am involved in rearing animals for meat, it seems to me that much that today goes by the name of &#8220;farming&#8221; is unnecessarily cruel and therefore ethically indefensible. To keep animals penned up in small areas to make human food cheaper or more tender is wrong. Much pork and chicken and some beef (not so much in NZ where most is free range grass fed) transgresses the criterion of care.</div>
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		<title>Review copies</title>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 07 Feb 2012 05:22:25 +0000</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>tim</dc:creator>
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		<description><![CDATA[If you would like a review copy of the print version of my new book: Tim Bulkeley, Not Only a Father: Talk of God as Mother in the Bible &#38; Christian Tradition (Signs) Auckland: Archer Press, 2011 ISBN: 978-1468091373 Please contact me, please say both where you expect to publish the review (blogs are quite [...]]]></description>
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<p>Tim Bulkeley, <em>Not Only a Father: Talk of God as Mother in the Bible &amp; Christian Tradition </em>(Signs) Auckland: Archer Press, 2011 ISBN: 978-1468091373</p>
<p>Please <a href="mailto:tim@carey.ac.nz">contact me</a>, please say both where you expect to publish the review (blogs are quite acceptable though a full review rather than a short note would be good) and when you are expect to write it. There are no conditions and you should be as critical as you normally would.</p>
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		<title>More on the Bible and marriage</title>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 01 Feb 2012 21:45:17 +0000</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>tim</dc:creator>
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		<description><![CDATA[Gavin (at Otagosh) posted a fairly long response to my piece Biblical marriages. Since he took the trouble to reply at some length as a post, I&#8217;ll do the same. His critique starts Then Tim makes an amazing statement: &#8220;In terms of the teaching of Scripture it is clear that Gen 2 is a privileged [...]]]></description>
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<p>Gavin (at Otagosh) posted a <a href="http://otagosh.blogspot.co.nz/2012/02/biblical-marriage.html">fairly long response</a> to my piece <a title="Permalink to Biblical marriages" href="../bible/bible-abuse/biblical-marriages/">Biblical marriages</a>. Since he took the trouble to reply at some length as a post, I&#8217;ll do the same.</p>
<p>His critique starts</p>
<blockquote><p>Then Tim makes an amazing statement: &#8220;In terms of the teaching of Scripture it is clear that Gen 2 is a privileged text (Jesus and Paul both cite it when discussing marriage).&#8221;</p>
<p>Genesis 2 is a privileged text?  In what sense?  Both Jesus and Paul cite other texts too.  Or, to be more specific, Paul and the <span>Gospel writers</span> cite other texts.<sup><a href="http://bigbible.org/sansblogue/bible/bible-abuse/more-on-the-bible-and-marriage/#footnote_0_1647" id="identifier_0_1647" class="footnote-link footnote-identifier-link" title=" I am sorry, I have spent half an hour playing with HTML but cannot reproduce gavin&amp;#8217;s emphasis in these quotes, something to do with the way this theme handles blockquotes :( ">1</a></sup></p></blockquote>
<p>Well, yes, evidently both Jesus and Paul<sup><a href="http://bigbible.org/sansblogue/bible/bible-abuse/more-on-the-bible-and-marriage/#footnote_1_1647" id="identifier_1_1647" class="footnote-link footnote-identifier-link" title=" See below, I&amp;#8217;ll continue to use these convenient shorthand designations despite Gavin&amp;#8217;s scorning of them. ">2</a></sup> also refer to other parts of Scripture. A full treatment of what the Bible says about marriage would need to treat them and yet other texts (that neither of these use) also. But still it seems to me, for a Christian reading of Scripture the fact that both Jesus and Paul (more than once) cite Gen 2 does make that passage a somewhat privileged locus for seeking a biblical understanding of marriage.<sup><a href="http://bigbible.org/sansblogue/bible/bible-abuse/more-on-the-bible-and-marriage/#footnote_2_1647" id="identifier_2_1647" class="footnote-link footnote-identifier-link" title=" Much like a blog post getting lots of links would privilegeit in Google&amp;#8217;s algorithms ;) ">3</a></sup> No, Gavin, I cannot accept that all texts, or passages, are equal. Like most people<sup><a href="http://bigbible.org/sansblogue/bible/bible-abuse/more-on-the-bible-and-marriage/#footnote_3_1647" id="identifier_3_1647" class="footnote-link footnote-identifier-link" title=" Except raging fundamentalists. ">4</a></sup> I have a &#8220;canon within the canon, though it will be different for different purposes and I think that (as I began to here)<sup><a href="http://bigbible.org/sansblogue/bible/bible-abuse/more-on-the-bible-and-marriage/#footnote_4_1647" id="identifier_4_1647" class="footnote-link footnote-identifier-link" title=" Though of course in a longer treatment I should have added other reasons, like the claim that Genesis serves as a preface to both the Torah and Scripture as a whole, and the further claim that the early chapters are particularly &amp;#8220;laden&amp;#8221; with significant teaching, and the claim that Gen 2 is &amp;#8220;about&amp;#8221; marriage and is one of few Old Testament texts that are&amp;#8230; ">5</a></sup></p>
<div id="attachment_1661" class="wp-caption alignright" style="width: 215px"><a href="http://www.just-pooh.com/history.html"><img class="size-full wp-image-1661" title="pk" src="http://bigbible.org/sansblogue/wp-content/uploads/2012/02/pk.gif" alt="" width="205" height="125" /></a><p class="wp-caption-text">From a webpage titled: History of Winnie the Pooh</p></div>
<p>Gavin continued:</p>
<blockquote><p>There were no &#8220;red letter&#8221; options available to indicate Jesus&#8217; actual words, quotation marks had yet to be invented, and speaking of &#8220;invented&#8221;, much (please note that I&#8217;m not saying all) of the material attributed to Jesus has clearly been put into his mouth.</p></blockquote>
<p>This seems to assume that when I say &#8220;Jesus&#8221; my interest is historical. There is a terrible tendency in modern thought to value history and &#8220;facts&#8221;. But I am not a historian, I am a theologian, my primary interest is not in reconstructing a plausible history but in the character &#8220;Jesus&#8221; who inspires and is the centre of the New Testament. This Jesus whether or not &#8220;invented&#8221;<sup><a href="http://bigbible.org/sansblogue/bible/bible-abuse/more-on-the-bible-and-marriage/#footnote_5_1647" id="identifier_5_1647" class="footnote-link footnote-identifier-link" title=" I know why I put quotation marks round the word, since i seriously doubt that the gospel authors or the traditions that may stand behind them intended to &amp;#8220;invent&amp;#8221;, but why does Gavin use scare quotes here? ">6</a></sup> does make special use of this passage.</p>
<p>This section of the post concludes:</p>
<blockquote><p>Tim&#8217;s decision to anoint Genesis two as &#8220;privileged&#8221; is entired [sic]<sup><a href="http://bigbible.org/sansblogue/bible/bible-abuse/more-on-the-bible-and-marriage/#footnote_6_1647" id="identifier_6_1647" class="footnote-link footnote-identifier-link" title=" PS3/2/12&nbsp; now corrected in the original post. ">7</a></sup> theological and subjective.</p></blockquote>
<p>I hope that I have shown that the first is entirely true, but perhaps to be expected of a theologian, and that the second is true only in the most general sense. I gave a reason that Gavin did not like, and in a short post failed to present any of the others, perhaps I have begun to rectify that lack above.</p>
<p>Gavin then quotes something I wrote and rejects it. I wrote:</p>
<blockquote><p>&#8220;in this (as in everything else) human sinfulness warps and twists God’s intent. All of the &#8216;biblical&#8217; marriages listed in the graphic reflect this.&#8221;</p></blockquote>
<p>Gavin replied:</p>
<blockquote><p>The problem is that, as Tim knows full well, <strong><em>the documents themselves</em></strong> contain little or no condemnation of these customs.  If there&#8217;s warping and twisting going on, wouldn&#8217;t you assume that this would be signalled <strong><em>within the text</em>?  </strong></p></blockquote>
<p>Well, Gavin and I might assume that, but the fact is that biblical narratives though they frequently recount the most terrible breaches of God&#8217;s desires (as expressed in the texts themselves) seldom mark them as such, we cannot rely on such explicit markers. But then the simple fact that no Bible character (with the arguable exception of Jesus) is presented without faults, sins and failings might suggest &#8211; and certainly does to my theological reading &#8211; that the Bible sees humans as sinful, warped and twisted. Nice middle-class liberal moderns may not like it, but we are all broken and in need of repair.</p>
<p>On the charge of biblicism that Gavin closes with, perhaps I&#8217;d be happy to plead guilty.</p>
<ol class="footnotes"><li id="footnote_0_1647" class="footnote"> I am sorry, I have spent half an hour playing with HTML but cannot reproduce gavin&#8217;s emphasis in these quotes, something to do with the way this theme handles blockquotes :( </li><li id="footnote_1_1647" class="footnote"> See below, I&#8217;ll continue to use these convenient shorthand designations despite Gavin&#8217;s scorning of them. </li><li id="footnote_2_1647" class="footnote"> Much like a blog post getting lots of links would privilegeit in Google&#8217;s algorithms ;) </li><li id="footnote_3_1647" class="footnote"> Except raging fundamentalists. </li><li id="footnote_4_1647" class="footnote"> Though of course in a longer treatment I should have added other reasons, like the claim that Genesis serves as a preface to both the Torah and Scripture as a whole, and the further claim that the early chapters are particularly &#8220;laden&#8221; with significant teaching, and the claim that Gen 2 is &#8220;about&#8221; marriage and is one of few Old Testament texts that are&#8230; </li><li id="footnote_5_1647" class="footnote"> I know why I put quotation marks round the word, since i seriously doubt that the gospel authors or the traditions that may stand behind them intended to &#8220;invent&#8221;, but why does Gavin use scare quotes here? </li><li id="footnote_6_1647" class="footnote"> PS3/2/12  now corrected in the original post. </li></ol>]]></content:encoded>
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		<title>Biblical marriages</title>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 01 Feb 2012 05:04:13 +0000</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>tim</dc:creator>
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		<description><![CDATA[I&#8217;ve seen several peopl, including Rowland Crowcher, post this &#8221;infographic&#8221; on Facebook. Since I&#8217;ve spoken quite a bit on &#8220;Family in the Bible&#8221;, and am due to speak to a leaders group from the NZ Christian Network on the &#8220;Theology of Marriage&#8221; really soon it makes me hopping mad! In one sense the graphic is &#8220;true&#8221;. [...]]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<div class="fblike" style="height:25px; height:25px; overflow:hidden;"><iframe src="http://www.facebook.com/plugins/like.php?href=http%3A%2F%2Fbigbible.org%2Fsansblogue%2Fbible%2Fbible-abuse%2Fbiblical-marriages%2F&amp;layout=standard&amp;show_faces=true&amp;width=450&amp;action=like&amp;font=arial&amp;colorscheme=light" scrolling="no" frameborder="0" allow Transparency="true" style="border:none; overflow:hidden; width:450px;"></iframe></div><div id="attachment_1645" class="wp-caption alignright" style="width: 310px"><a href="http://bigbible.org/sansblogue/wp-content/uploads/2012/02/marriage.jpg"><img class="size-medium wp-image-1645" title="marriage" src="http://bigbible.org/sansblogue/wp-content/uploads/2012/02/marriage-300x215.jpg" alt="" width="300" height="215" /></a><p class="wp-caption-text">Facebook does not seen good at giving attributions, so I don&#39;t know who produced this, if it was you write to me and I&#39;ll gladly attribute it :)</p></div>
<p>I&#8217;ve seen several peopl, including <a href="https://www.facebook.com/rowland.croucher">Rowland Crowcher</a>, post this &#8221;infographic&#8221; on Facebook. Since I&#8217;ve spoken quite a bit on &#8220;Family in the Bible&#8221;, and am due to speak to a leaders group from the NZ Christian Network on the &#8220;Theology of Marriage&#8221; really soon it makes me hopping mad!</p>
<p>In one sense the graphic is &#8220;true&#8221;. The Bible does present all these, and more (some arguably worse) patterns of marriage. It is also true that God chose to work in and through many of these. Just looking at Abraham (the &#8220;father&#8221; of the three monotheistic religions) or Jacob (aka &#8220;Israel&#8221;) makes it clear that God does not turn aside from some convoluted and perverse human arrangements in choosing who to use as a channel of grace.</p>
<p>But, do any of these represent &#8220;a biblical view of marriage&#8221;. Hell no! It is time for some stakes in the ground. In terms of the teaching of Scripture it is clear that Gen 2 is a privileged text (Jesus and Paul both cite it when discussing marriage). This passage, and the teaching of Jesus and Paul make some basics clear:</p>
<dl>
<dt><strong>Marriage</strong>:</dt>
</dl>
<ul>
<li>was ordained by God</li>
<li>is the union of a man and a woman</li>
<ul>
<li>produces and nurtures the next generation</li>
<li>provides necessary partnership</li>
</ul>
</ul>
<p>However, in this (as in everything else) human sinfulness warps and twists God&#8217;s intent. All of the &#8220;biblical&#8221; marriages listed in the graphic reflect this.</p>
<p>See some of my earlier posts for background to this one:</p>
<ul>
<li> <a title="Permalink to What is a family?" href="../ot/ot/family-in-the-bible/">What is a family?</a></li>
<li><a title="Permalink to Does the Bible present a preferred pattern of family?" href="../ot/ot/does-the-bible-present-a-preferred-pattern-of-family/">Does the Bible present a preferred pattern of family</a></li>
<li><a href="http://bigbible.org/sansblogue/ot/reading-the-bible-seeking-teaching-on-family/">Reading the Bible: seeking teaching on family</a></li>
</ul>
<p>I am aware that what I have written in the very short and angry post here will be understood by some people as endorsing particular views on the currently hot and vexed topic of &#8220;Gay marriages&#8221;. It does. Gay marriage is an oxymoron since not only is marriage the partnership of a man and a woman, but also intended to produce as well as nurture the next generation. However, the view endorsed above says nothing about either Civil Unions, or about the possibility of blessing (or even solemnising) them in churches. As far as I am concerned that seem to be separate issues, and ones on which my view of marriage does not entail any particular position. I wish that we (Christians of all stripes, marriage activists of every opinion, and especially the authorities of both states and churches) would just sit back and separate the two things and issues.</p>
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		<title>Extract from &#8220;Teaching Theology to Children&#8221;</title>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 31 Jan 2012 03:00:46 +0000</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>tim</dc:creator>
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		<description><![CDATA[Here is an extract from the long video I linked to the other day. The extract covers reasons why we should teach theology to adults and children together.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<div class="fblike" style="height:25px; height:25px; overflow:hidden;"><iframe src="http://www.facebook.com/plugins/like.php?href=http%3A%2F%2Fbigbible.org%2Fsansblogue%2Feducation%2Fextract-from-teaching-theology-to-children%2F&amp;layout=standard&amp;show_faces=true&amp;width=450&amp;action=like&amp;font=arial&amp;colorscheme=light" scrolling="no" frameborder="0" allow Transparency="true" style="border:none; overflow:hidden; width:450px;"></iframe></div><p>Here is an extract from the <a href="http://bigbible.org/sansblogue/spirituality/theology/teaching-theology-to-children/">long video </a>I linked to the other day. The extract covers reasons why we should teach theology to adults and children together.<br />
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		<title>Teaching theology to children</title>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 26 Jan 2012 04:20:34 +0000</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>tim</dc:creator>
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		<description><![CDATA[The workshop Barbara and I did for the NZ Baptist Gathering in November is now available as a video (along with other sessions). It is here. Do make any objections, ask any questions, or whatever :) it&#8217;s a topic we care about!]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<div class="fblike" style="height:25px; height:25px; overflow:hidden;"><iframe src="http://www.facebook.com/plugins/like.php?href=http%3A%2F%2Fbigbible.org%2Fsansblogue%2Fspirituality%2Ftheology%2Fteaching-theology-to-children%2F&amp;layout=standard&amp;show_faces=true&amp;width=450&amp;action=like&amp;font=arial&amp;colorscheme=light" scrolling="no" frameborder="0" allow Transparency="true" style="border:none; overflow:hidden; width:450px;"></iframe></div><p>The workshop Barbara and I did for the NZ Baptist Gathering in November is now available as a video (along with other sessions). <a href="http://www.baptist.org.nz/index.php?option=com_docman&amp;task=cat_view&amp;gid=90&amp;Itemid=124&amp;limitstart=12">It is here</a>. Do make any objections, ask any questions, or whatever :) it&#8217;s a topic we care about!</p>
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		<title>Psalm for a new year</title>
		<link>http://bigbible.org/sansblogue/education/teaching-bible/psalm-for-a-new-year/</link>
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		<pubDate>Sun, 01 Jan 2012 22:44:38 +0000</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>tim</dc:creator>
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		<description><![CDATA[Psalm 90 makes a fine reading for a new year. Through the psalm, time (and especially the haunting disparity between short brutish human time and the timeless divine reality) is a strong theme. The psalm is peppered with time words: dor generation in v.1 (x2) b&#8217;terem before in v.2 shanah year in vv.4, 5, 9, [...]]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<div class="fblike" style="height:25px; height:25px; overflow:hidden;"><iframe src="http://www.facebook.com/plugins/like.php?href=http%3A%2F%2Fbigbible.org%2Fsansblogue%2Feducation%2Fteaching-bible%2Fpsalm-for-a-new-year%2F&amp;layout=standard&amp;show_faces=true&amp;width=450&amp;action=like&amp;font=arial&amp;colorscheme=light" scrolling="no" frameborder="0" allow Transparency="true" style="border:none; overflow:hidden; width:450px;"></iframe></div><p>Psalm 90 makes a fine reading for a new year. Through the psalm, time (and especially the haunting disparity between short brutish human time and the timeless divine reality) is a strong theme. The psalm is peppered with time words:</p>
<ul>
<li><em>dor </em>generation in v.1 (x2)</li>
<li><em>b&#8217;terem </em>before in v.2</li>
<li><em>shanah </em>year in vv.4, 5, 9, 10 (x3), 15</li>
<li><em>yom </em>day in vv.4, 9, 10, 12, 14, 15</li>
<li><em>ashmorah </em>night watch in v.4</li>
<li><em><em>boqer </em></em>morning in v.5, 6, 14</li>
<li><em>ereb </em>evening in v.6</li>
<li><em>chish </em>quickly in v.10</li>
</ul>
<p>The psalm opens in the distant past with a heading associating it with Moses the great leader from Israel&#8217;s pre-monarchic origins.<sup><a href="http://bigbible.org/sansblogue/education/teaching-bible/psalm-for-a-new-year/#footnote_0_1589" id="identifier_0_1589" class="footnote-link footnote-identifier-link" title=" Although there is considerable evidence that the headings may have been added to psalms after they were first written and used, there is no textual evidence for them being absent from the psalms that have them in most modern translations. Rather the reverse the early Greek&nbsp; translation and the Qumran psalms scrolls seem to have more of these headings, suggesting that they were later additions. ">1</a></sup></p>
<p>The rest of the first verse forefronts the two key ideas of the psalm, time and our relationship with God. The wording of the opening stresses the persons involved. Very literally it would read: &#8220;<em>Lord, a dwelling, you, you have been for us from generation to generation.</em>&#8221;</p>
<p>This attention to time carries on through the psalm, and is straightaway extended in the next verse from a human timescale from &#8220;<em>generation to generation</em>&#8221; to extend from before the birth of the world into the &#8220;age&#8221;<sup><a href="http://bigbible.org/sansblogue/education/teaching-bible/psalm-for-a-new-year/#footnote_1_1589" id="identifier_1_1589" class="footnote-link footnote-identifier-link" title=" Whatever exactly &amp;#8216;olam means. ">2</a></sup>  to come:</p>
<blockquote><p>Before the mountains were born <em></em><br />
or ever you had given birth to <em></em>the earth and the world,<br />
from age to age you are God.</p></blockquote>
<p>From verse 3 to 11 the focus on time stresses time and again that the human and the divine timescales are incommensurable, and that humans suffer the divine wrath. This is not a psalm for the faint hearted, or for people living the comfortable smooth lives our TVs and magazines tell us <strong>should</strong> be ours. This psalm is not compatible with the Western dream.</p>
<p>But it &#8220;works&#8221; in a world full of natural disaster: earthquakes (still going on in Christchurch after over a year), floods (and even the minor ones in the Bay of Plenty yesterday cause pain and disruption), and all of man&#8217;s inhumanity to man (although 2011 was a year with more glimpses of hope for Burma that anyone expected as 2012 begins the Army is still attacking ethnic villages and destroying their crops, the political prisoners kept in inhuman conditions in the jails can still be counted as over a thousand).</p>
<p>Ps 90:10 is often quoted in something approximating to the fairly literal KJV: &#8220;The days of our years are threescore years and ten; and if by reason of strength they be fourscore years&#8221; this with its mention of strength suggests (or in the last few generations reminds us) that we might even live longer. However, in the psalm the effect is quite different, to quote the whole verse:</p>
<blockquote><p>The days of our years are threescore years and ten;<br />
and if by reason of strength they be fourscore years,<br />
yet is their strength labour and sorrow;<br />
for it is soon cut off, and we fly away.</p></blockquote>
<p>The whole point of the verse is that even if our life is long it is marked (sooner or later) by toil and trouble, and in any case (by any measure but our own pitifully brief one) are so short. Anyone who has reached &#8220;a certain age&#8221;<sup><a href="http://bigbible.org/sansblogue/education/teaching-bible/psalm-for-a-new-year/#footnote_2_1589" id="identifier_2_1589" class="footnote-link footnote-identifier-link" title=" 50, 40, 30&amp;#8230;? ">3</a></sup> will recognise how the years begin to fly away faster and faster.</p>
<p>So far, if I have presented it as I think it should be read, Psalm 90 is as far from contemporary cheery upbeat &#8220;worship songs&#8221; as it is possible to be ;)</p>
<p>Yet, it was my grandmother&#8217;s favourite psalm. Perhaps because the hymn based on it &#8220;<strong>Our God, our help in ages past</strong>&#8230;&#8221; used to be sung every &#8220;Remembrance Sunday&#8221;, and she had cause to remember. Her groom, my father&#8217;s father, was killed in the first world war leaving his new wife and toddler. Psalm 90 is a good new year reading in such circumstances. For as well as human mortality it reminds us of the divine author and finisher of our lives. &#8220;&#8230;<strong>our hope for years to come!</strong>&#8221;</p>
<p>There are two more reasons why this psalm is a favourite of mine. It is one of the few passages in Scripture to deal seriously and in any depth with human aging. And it contains one of the Bible&#8217;s few descriptions of creation as birthing:</p>
<blockquote><p>Before the mountains were born<br />
or ever you had given birth to the earth and the world,<br />
from age to age you are God. (Ps 90:2)</p></blockquote>
<p>As a result it gets a brief appearance in my new book <a href="http://bigbible.org/mothergod/"><em>Not Only a Father</em></a>,<sup><a href="http://bigbible.org/sansblogue/education/teaching-bible/psalm-for-a-new-year/#footnote_3_1589" id="identifier_3_1589" class="footnote-link footnote-identifier-link" title=" I will add a link to the print version soon, for now the text is already available online in discussable format. ">4</a></sup> and will deserve much fuller treatment in the one on human aging, if I ever write it ;)</p>
<ol class="footnotes"><li id="footnote_0_1589" class="footnote"> Although there is considerable evidence that the headings may have been added to psalms after they were first written and used, there is no <strong>textual</strong> evidence for them being absent from the psalms that have them in most modern translations. Rather the reverse the early Greek  translation and the Qumran psalms scrolls seem to have more of these headings, suggesting that they were later additions. </li><li id="footnote_1_1589" class="footnote"> Whatever exactly<em> &#8216;olam</em> means. </li><li id="footnote_2_1589" class="footnote"> 50, 40, 30&#8230;? </li><li id="footnote_3_1589" class="footnote"> I will add a link to the print version soon, for now the text is already available online in discussable format. </li></ol>]]></content:encoded>
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		<title>Seeking the Peace of Jerusalem</title>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 09 Nov 2011 17:27:08 +0000</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>tim</dc:creator>
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		<description><![CDATA[There is a lot of knee-jerk Christian Zionism around. This perversion of Evangelical respect for Scripture is even common in NZ. So I am delighted that Bethlehem Bible College (a fine Evangelical seminary where a colleague of mine recently spent a sabbatical) are organising a conference &#8220;Christ at the Checkpoint&#8221; which aims to provide an [...]]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<div class="fblike" style="height:25px; height:25px; overflow:hidden;"><iframe src="http://www.facebook.com/plugins/like.php?href=http%3A%2F%2Fbigbible.org%2Fsansblogue%2Fspirituality%2Ftheology%2Fseeking-the-peace-of-jerusalem%2F&amp;layout=standard&amp;show_faces=true&amp;width=450&amp;action=like&amp;font=arial&amp;colorscheme=light" scrolling="no" frameborder="0" allow Transparency="true" style="border:none; overflow:hidden; width:450px;"></iframe></div><p>There is a lot of knee-jerk Christian Zionism around. This perversion of Evangelical respect for Scripture is even common in NZ. So I am delighted that Bethlehem Bible College (a fine Evangelical seminary where a colleague of mine recently spent a sabbatical) are organising a conference &#8220;<a href="http://www.christatthecheckpoint.com">Christ at the Checkpoint</a>&#8221; which aims</p>
<blockquote><p>to provide an opportunity for Evangelical Christians to prayerfully seek a proper awareness of issues of peace, justice, and reconciliation in the context of the realities on the ground in the Palestinian Territories. It will also provide a platform for serious engagement with Christian Zionism and an open forum for ongoing dialogue between all positions within the Evangelical theological spectrum.</p></blockquote>
<p>These aims are good, carefully worded, and full of peace. Although I have deep respect for my Jewish fellow students of the Hebrew Bible (a disproportionate number of the most sensitive and careful, as well as knowledgeable biblical scholars are Jewish) and affection for the Israeli Jewish families at whose tables I have eaten, their governments have and are acted cruelly and unjustly towards the Palestinian people.</p>
<p>This conference should be supported, even without the <a href="http://www.christatthecheckpoint.com/index.php/blog/79-blogging-contest">Blogging Contest!</a> We should all be linking to Christ at the Checkpoint, and seeking to generate support for our Palestinian brothers and sisters in Christ, who are seeking understanding and peace.</p>
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<p style="text-align: center;"><iframe src="http://player.vimeo.com/video/31097528?title=0&amp;byline=0&amp;portrait=0" frameborder="0" width="400" height="225"></iframe></p>
<p style="text-align: center;"><a href="http://vimeo.com/31097528">Hope in the Midst of Conflict</a> from <a href="http://vimeo.com/christatthecheckpoint">Christ at the Checkpoint</a> on <a href="http://vimeo.com">Vimeo</a>.</p>
<p>HT: <a href="http://zwingliusredivivus.wordpress.com/2011/11/09/the-contest-of-the-century/">Jim West</a></p>
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